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2009 SP Rankings?

Postby TheGhost76777 » Wed Aug 20, 2008 1:51 pm

What do your guys lists look like?

1. C.C. Sabathia, FA
2. Johan Santana, NYM
3. Jake Peavy, SD
4. Brandon Webb, ARZ
5. Tim Lincecum, SF
6. Cole Hamels, PHI
7. Scott Kazmir, TB
8. Dan Haren, ARZ
9. Chad Billingsley, LAD
10. Roy Halladay, TOR
11. John Lackey, LAA
12. Erik Bedard, SEA
13. Rich Harden, CHC
14. Cliff Lee, CLE
15. Josh Beckett, BOS
16. Ben Sheets, FA
17. Matt Cain, SF
18. Joba Chamberlain, NYY
19. Edison Volquez, CIN
20. Carlos Zambrano, CHC
21. Ervin Santana, LAA
22. Fransisco Liriano, MIN
23. James Shields, TB
24. Felix Hernandez, SEA
25. Daisuke Matsuzaka, BOS
26. Roy Oswalt, HOU
27. Justin Verlander, DET
28. A.J. Burnett, FA
29. Javier Vazquez, CWS
30. Jeremy Guthrie, BAL
31. Jon Lester, BOS
32. Tim Hudson, ATL
33. Jair Jurrjens, ATL
34. David Price, TB
35. Clayton Kershaw, LAD
36. Yoavani Gallardo, MIL
37. Ryan Dempster, CHC
38. Justin Duchscherer, OAK
39. Jon Danks, CWS
40. Matt Garza, TB
41. Oliver Perez, NYM
42. Fausto Carmona, CLE
43. Mark Buehrle, CWS
44. Adam Wainwright, STL
45. Chris Carpenter, STL
46. Mike Mussina, NYY
47. Randy Johnson, ARZ
48. Joe Saunders, LAA
49. Chris Young, SD
50. Shaun Marcum, TOR
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Re: 2009 SP Rankings?

Postby fbc_fan » Wed Aug 20, 2008 2:14 pm

1. halladay should be on there. probably somewhere in the hamels/kazmir region.
2. i'm not sure cookie cookie has eclipsed santana and peavy yet.
3. i would personally take lincecum above webb, but i can see why others would not.

i'm sure there's more, but i haven't looked much outside of your top 10-15.

EDIT: cliff lee is waaaaaaaaay too high. there's another thread on him hanging around the front page of the leftovers though. check it out.
also, carpenter should be on there. probably somewhere around liriano.
yovani should be on this as well.
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Re: 2009 SP Rankings?

Postby Field » Wed Aug 20, 2008 2:16 pm

I'm not a fan of this list at all. Harden should probably be on there somewhere as well.
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Re: 2009 SP Rankings?

Postby hot4tx » Wed Aug 20, 2008 2:31 pm

Do you really think CC Sabathia is the best pitcher? I would definitely take Peavy, Santana and Webb over him (not necessarily in that order). Sabathia has been good this year, but Webb is arguably having a better year and Peavy and Santana are not far behind. These other 3 guys have more history of being in the elite group, so I'd tend to take them.

The Brewers are definitely using him like a rental and he's on pace to eclipse the 250 IP mark this year after leading the league with 241 IP last year. He's not a Livan Hernandez or Roy Halladay type of pitcher when they were leading the league in IP - one that pitches to contact and works for efficiency.

Also with CC being a free agent, I think that makes him even more risky. Sure he could sign with a good club and keep his Ws up, but he could also sign with the Lastros. Likewise he could sign with the Padres and help his ratios in that pitchers paradise, but he could sign with the Rockies, Rangers or Lastros and watch pop-ups turn into HRs.


Add up more history of elite numbers for the other guys, my fear of overuse and the unknown of what team he ends up playing for and there's no way I rank him higher than 4th.
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Re: 2009 SP Rankings?

Postby J35J » Wed Aug 20, 2008 2:47 pm

I'll let you know sometime in the middle of October....
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Re: 2009 SP Rankings?

Postby ScrappyDoo » Wed Aug 20, 2008 3:00 pm

C.C. will probably be in the A.L. East next year so I don't see him dominating like he is now in the NL.
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Re: 2009 SP Rankings?

Postby TheGhost76777 » Wed Aug 20, 2008 3:34 pm

geez i completely forgot about Halladay and Harden...kinda did it off the top of my head...will have to edit!
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Re: 2009 SP Rankings?

Postby rookies and cream » Wed Aug 20, 2008 3:36 pm

Too early to make SP rankings for 2009. As I mentioned in another thread, I remember we tried to do this last year and our rankings in August vs. October were vastly different.

With that said, CC needs to go down a few spots and Halladay, Harden, Gallardo, and Carpenter need to be on the list. You can also take Tim Hudson off. Won't he be missing much (if not all) of 2009?
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Re: 2009 SP Rankings?

Postby Pogotheostrich » Wed Aug 20, 2008 5:06 pm

Barring injury my list starts

1. Santana
2. Webb
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Re: 2009 SP Rankings?

Postby RunReyesRun » Wed Aug 20, 2008 7:34 pm

Switch J. Shields with Bedard, IMO
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