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Re: Dunn to D-backs.

Postby Snakes Gould » Wed Aug 13, 2008 7:31 pm

before this deal, did anyone even think it was remotely possible for a trade of this magnitude to happen? who'd of thunk it would have been this complicated.
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Re: Dunn to D-backs.

Postby GiantsFan14 » Wed Aug 13, 2008 8:33 pm

my understanding of the rule is that in order for a player on the 40-man roster to be eligible to be a PTBNL, he must not be on the active roster... micah owings fits this criteria

here is the list of d-back players on the 40-man but not on the active roster
Jon Coutlangus LHP
Emiliano Furto RHP
Juan Gutierrez RHP
Micah Owings RHP
Jalien Peguero RHP
Max Scherzer RHP
Doug Slaten LHP
Esmerling Vasquez RHP

Wilkin Castillo C
Robby Hammock C
Javier Brito IF
Josh Whitesell IF
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Re: Dunn to D-backs.

Postby joecahill » Thu Aug 14, 2008 12:14 pm

GiantsFan14 wrote:my understanding of the rule is that in order for a player on the 40-man roster to be eligible to be a PTBNL, he must not be on the active roster... micah owings fits this criteria


My understanding of the deal from the MLB article is that the two players who were called PTBNLs were actually agreed upon by the Reds & Snakes before consummating the deal, but that their names weren't announced because the players would have to clear waivers first. Maybe that's why the PTBNL rules seem to be out the window in this one?
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Re: Dunn to D-backs.

Postby StlSluggers » Thu Aug 14, 2008 12:21 pm

I would really like to see an official write up on this trade.

I'm very interested to learn how it worked.
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Re: Dunn to D-backs.

Postby deerayfan072 » Fri Aug 15, 2008 12:20 pm

From MLBTrade rumors:

5:05pm: According to John Fay of the Cincinnati Enquirer, the third player going to the Reds in the Dunn trade is catcher Wilkin Castillo. The 24 year-old ranked 14th among D'Backs prospects heading into the season, according to Baseball America. He is able to play many other positions as well.


So they got Castillo, Owings, and Buck
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Re: Dunn to D-backs.

Postby joecahill » Fri Aug 15, 2008 12:31 pm

The Cincinnati Enquirer is reporting that a shoulder injury is likely what's holding up the Micah Owings part of the trade.
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Re: Dunn to D-backs.

Postby raiders_umpire » Fri Aug 15, 2008 12:47 pm

Big Pimpin wrote: But the rules around PTBNL are that they have to be named within 6 months and they cannot have played in the same league as the team they're going to. So if you're a minor leaguer, you're fine. But Owings has played in the NL this year, which would make him ineligible to be a PTBNL in a deal with the Reds.
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Owings was not a member of the Diamondbacks major league squad on the day the trade was made so he is eligible to be the PTBNL. He could not be on the 25 man roster and be named a PTBNL for another National League team, but he can be on the 40 man roster and be in the minors or injured(like he was) and be traded to the Reds after the season.
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Re: Dunn to D-backs.

Postby kab21 » Fri Aug 15, 2008 12:48 pm

deerayfan072 wrote:From MLBTrade rumors:

5:05pm: According to John Fay of the Cincinnati Enquirer, the third player going to the Reds in the Dunn trade is catcher Wilkin Castillo. The 24 year-old ranked 14th among D'Backs prospects heading into the season, according to Baseball America. He is able to play many other positions as well.


So they got Castillo, Owings, and Buck


I'm pretty unimpressed with this from the Reds side. I think I would take my chances in the draft.

But I'm also not too hopeful on Owings as a pitcher (ppinions may differ eon this) and I think it's just way too risky to put alot of value on him as a hitter.
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Re: Dunn to D-backs.

Postby StlSluggers » Fri Aug 15, 2008 1:01 pm

idk... I think Owings is a viable, backend starter - and that's more than you normally get from the average draft pick.
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Re: Dunn to D-backs.

Postby Big Pimpin » Fri Aug 15, 2008 1:24 pm

raiders_umpire wrote:
Big Pimpin wrote: But the rules around PTBNL are that they have to be named within 6 months and they cannot have played in the same league as the team they're going to. So if you're a minor leaguer, you're fine. But Owings has played in the NL this year, which would make him ineligible to be a PTBNL in a deal with the Reds.
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Owings was not a member of the Diamondbacks major league squad on the day the trade was made so he is eligible to be the PTBNL. He could not be on the 25 man roster and be named a PTBNL for another National League team, but he can be on the 40 man roster and be in the minors or injured(like he was) and be traded to the Reds after the season.


Good to know. The first thing I read said they couldn't have played in the same league during the year, so that was my confusion. If he just can't be on the active roster then it all makes much more sense. ;-D
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