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Who decides what pitcher gets a win?

Postby shoelessjoetara » Tue Aug 05, 2008 1:48 pm

Last night Dan Haren got a win last night but I can't understand why. He pitched 6 innings and left the game leading 6-4. In the 7th inning the Pirates scored another run making it 6-5. In the bottom of the 7th Arizona scored another run making it 7-5. The final score was 13-7. I thought that since Haren left with the score 6-4 in his favor if the Pirates scored 6 or more runs ,Haren would not be the pitcher of record. I may be missing something so can someone please explain this to me? Thanks in advance.
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Re: Who decides what pitcher gets a win?

Postby StlSluggers » Tue Aug 05, 2008 1:50 pm

Based on how you describe it, Haren should have received the win. Technically speaking, the rules allow the scorer to assign the win to any pitcher deemed worthy, but that is almost never actually used. Typically, the way you went about analyzing that is how an official scorer would, too.
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Re: Who decides what pitcher gets a win?

Postby dclark0699 » Tue Aug 05, 2008 1:50 pm

If you start and pitch at least 5 innings, leave with the lead and your team never gives up the lead - you get the win. Regardless of the score.
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Re: Who decides what pitcher gets a win?

Postby Old_Style » Tue Aug 05, 2008 1:50 pm

If the Pirates would've tied the ball game up after Haren left, he would've gotten a no decision. Haren was in line for a win as long as the Diamondbacks sustained a lead.
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Re: Who decides what pitcher gets a win?

Postby ScrappyDoo » Tue Aug 05, 2008 1:51 pm

As long as a pitcher pitches 5 innings and leaves the game with the lead and the other team never ties the game again he gets a win.
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Re: Who decides what pitcher gets a win?

Postby StlSluggers » Tue Aug 05, 2008 1:51 pm

Edit: Okay... Putting a "not" in the original sentence when it's not there - that totally changes how you reply.

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Re: Who decides what pitcher gets a win?

Postby shoelessjoetara » Tue Aug 05, 2008 1:54 pm

Thanks guys. I figured it was something like that.
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Re: Who decides what pitcher gets a win?

Postby stevethumb » Tue Aug 05, 2008 3:00 pm

look at the boxscore of sunday's dodgers game..the starting pitcher jjohnson left after 4 1/3 IP .. he had the lead which was never relinquished, however, he did NOT go 5 IP so he can NOT get the win..that decision is the responsibility of the OFFICIAL SCORER (a paid position usually held by a veteran sportswriter from the home team's city)..in that game the official scorer had 4 choices: bfalkenborg who finished the 5th inning successfully or the next 2 relievers cwade and hckuo who both pitched a very effective 1.2 and 1.1 IP respectively while protecting a close lead..the final IP was by rtroncone who while effective only pitched one inning and had the largest lead of the game..the scorer arbitrarily awarded the win to wade
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Re: Who decides what pitcher gets a win?

Postby Bloody Sox » Tue Aug 05, 2008 4:29 pm

stevethumb wrote:look at the boxscore of sunday's dodgers game..the starting pitcher jjohnson left after 4 1/3 IP .. he had the lead which was never relinquished, however, he did NOT go 5 IP so he can NOT get the win..that decision is the responsibility of the OFFICIAL SCORER (a paid position usually held by a veteran sportswriter from the home team's city)..in that game the official scorer had 4 choices: bfalkenborg who finished the 5th inning successfully or the next 2 relievers cwade and hckuo who both pitched a very effective 1.2 and 1.1 IP respectively while protecting a close lead..the final IP was by rtroncone who while effective only pitched one inning and had the largest lead of the game..the scorer arbitrarily awarded the win to wade


Actually... you bring up an interesting point here. Is the official scorer actually prevented from awarding a win to the starting pitcher if he goes less than 5 innings? If so, that is dumb.

Take an extreme scenario: a starting pitcher leaves with a 13-0 lead after 4-2/3 perfect innings due to injury. Four relievers each pitch 1+ inning to finish off the game but each gives up 3 ER, resulting in a 13-12 win.

Is it true that the official scorer in that case is prevented from giving the win to the starter?
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Re: Who decides what pitcher gets a win?

Postby buffalobillsrul2002 » Tue Aug 05, 2008 4:35 pm

Bloody Sox wrote:
stevethumb wrote:look at the boxscore of sunday's dodgers game..the starting pitcher jjohnson left after 4 1/3 IP .. he had the lead which was never relinquished, however, he did NOT go 5 IP so he can NOT get the win..that decision is the responsibility of the OFFICIAL SCORER (a paid position usually held by a veteran sportswriter from the home team's city)..in that game the official scorer had 4 choices: bfalkenborg who finished the 5th inning successfully or the next 2 relievers cwade and hckuo who both pitched a very effective 1.2 and 1.1 IP respectively while protecting a close lead..the final IP was by rtroncone who while effective only pitched one inning and had the largest lead of the game..the scorer arbitrarily awarded the win to wade


Actually... you bring up an interesting point here. Is the official scorer actually prevented from awarding a win to the starting pitcher if he goes less than 5 innings? If so, that is dumb.

Take an extreme scenario: a starting pitcher leaves with a 13-0 lead after 4-2/3 perfect innings due to injury. Four relievers each pitch 1+ inning to finish off the game but each gives up 3 ER, resulting in a 13-12 win.

Is it true that the official scorer in that case is prevented from giving the win to the starter?


not sure. I think the starter CAn still get the win though, because I think in the futures game the one starter pitched one perfect inning and got the W. Exhibition games might have different scoring rules though....
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