Halladay elite again? - Fantasy Baseball Cafe 2014 Fantasy Baseball Cafe
100% Deposit Bonus for Cafe Members!

Return to Baseball Leftovers

Halladay elite again?

Moderator: Baseball Moderators

Halladay elite again?

Postby bleach168 » Mon Aug 04, 2008 9:35 pm

Much like Oswalt, Halladay dropped out of elite territory because of a declining K rate the past few years. But unlike Oswalt, Halladay is having arguably the best season of his career thanks to a career best K/9. He is now the #2 rated pitcher. What changed his trajectory? Is it sustainable?
"And so he spoke, and so he spoke, that lord of Castamere. But now the rains weep o'er his hall, with no one there to hear." - The Rains of Castamere
bleach168
Hall of Fame Hero
Hall of Fame Hero

User avatar
CafeholicFantasy Expert
Posts: 5057
(Past Year: 16)
Joined: 22 Apr 2003
Home Cafe: Baseball

Re: Halladay elite again?

Postby mweir145 » Mon Aug 04, 2008 10:30 pm

It was odd to see him declining at the age of 29 and 30, and because of that I was always of the belief that he'd been pitching hurt for the past few years. It appears that may have been the case, especially when you go back and notice that he had "forearm" problems in late 2006 that caused him to miss the last few weeks.

Roy is throwing considerably harder this season (92.7 MPH fastball to 91.1 MPH in '07), and his curve ball has much more break than I've ever seen it. If a hitter even manages to make contact with his curve ball, they usually just hit it right into the ground. Everything he throws just seems to be tighter with more "bite." He looks very much like he did in '05 when he was the best pitcher in the majors for the first half.

I'm not sure he can keep up the same K/9 (7.60) because he never posted anything like that even when he won the Cy Young, but I also see no reason why he can't continue striking out guys either. He's still only 31, so as long as he stays healthy, I think he'll be just fine going into the future.
25
mweir145
Hall of Fame Hero
Hall of Fame Hero

User avatar
Eagle Eye
Posts: 16784
(Past Year: 10)
Joined: 3 Mar 2005
Home Cafe: Baseball
Location: Toronto

Re: Halladay elite again?

Postby mt99808 » Tue Aug 05, 2008 8:11 am

I don't have the numbers to back it up but i bet if you tracked his pitches over the last 2 seasons you'd see that he's throwing a lot more curve balls this year.
mt99808
College Coach
College Coach


Posts: 194
Joined: 14 May 2008
Home Cafe: Baseball

Re: Halladay elite again?

Postby hot4tx » Tue Aug 05, 2008 10:09 am

I don't know if I would call him "elite", as I reserve that for just a few pitchers. I would say that I'd feel ok if he were my fantasy ace right now. Absolutely have no problems with that.

If fantasy ace is your definition of elite then yes, he is a fantasy ace IMO.
hot4tx
Major League Manager
Major League Manager

User avatar

Posts: 1933
(Past Year: 138)
Joined: 16 Feb 2007
Home Cafe: Baseball

Re: Halladay elite again?

Postby fbc_fan » Tue Aug 05, 2008 12:38 pm

~55 GB%, ~8 K/9, ~2 BB/9, ~0.75 HR/9

yeah i'd say he's returned to being elite. those are ridiculous numbers.
Image
thanks to madison/go_jays_go for the slick sig!
fbc_fan
Major League Manager
Major League Manager

User avatar

Posts: 1412
Joined: 17 May 2006
Home Cafe: Baseball

Re: Halladay elite again?

Postby StlSluggers » Tue Aug 05, 2008 1:43 pm

mweir145 wrote:It was odd to see him declining at the age of 29 and 30, and because of that I was always of the belief that he'd been pitching hurt for the past few years. It appears that may have been the case, especially when you go back and notice that he had "forearm" problems in late 2006 that caused him to miss the last few weeks.

Don't forget to add in the Blue Jays' history of not exactly being forthcoming about, or brilliant in handling, injured players.
StlSluggers
Hall of Fame Hero
Hall of Fame Hero

User avatar
CafeholicCafe WriterMock(ing) DrafterWeb Supporter
Posts: 14716
(Past Year: 10)
Joined: 24 May 2004
Home Cafe: Baseball
Location: Parking in the gov't bldg @ 7th and Pine. It's only $3.00 on game day!

Re: Halladay elite again?

Postby StlSluggers » Tue Aug 05, 2008 1:47 pm

I'm gonna say that all of his success is do to him striking out guys again. I mean, looking over all his other indicators, he's been rather level (not flat, but not crazy) in every respect. But his Ks... Wow. What a diff a year makes:

Image

K's are generally one of those things that guys don't fake. I'd say he's back until this number drops again.
StlSluggers
Hall of Fame Hero
Hall of Fame Hero

User avatar
CafeholicCafe WriterMock(ing) DrafterWeb Supporter
Posts: 14716
(Past Year: 10)
Joined: 24 May 2004
Home Cafe: Baseball
Location: Parking in the gov't bldg @ 7th and Pine. It's only $3.00 on game day!

Re: Halladay elite again?

Postby RedSoxNation04 » Tue Aug 05, 2008 1:52 pm

7 complete games and 2 shut outs don't hurt either....I'd say he's back in the Elite category
Image
RedSoxNation04
General Manager
General Manager

User avatar
CafeholicCafe Ranker
Posts: 3403
Joined: 8 Oct 2007
Home Cafe: Baseball
Location: Newyorkachusetts

Re: Halladay elite again?

Postby slink » Tue Aug 05, 2008 3:05 pm

It's my belief that Halladay's K ratio dropped because he wanted to pitch longer into games by just inducing ground balls. I think he worried that if he tried to strike out pitchers, each batter would take more pitches and he wouldn't be able to go longer into games.
slink
College Coach
College Coach


Posts: 293
(Past Year: 10)
Joined: 17 Mar 2008
Home Cafe: Baseball
Location: Kansas City, MO

Re: Halladay elite again?

Postby tah161 » Tue Aug 05, 2008 4:48 pm

Halladay for Cy Young this year?

I think im liking him a little bit more then Lee right now.
tah161
Minor League Mentor
Minor League Mentor


Posts: 555
Joined: 27 Mar 2008
Home Cafe: Baseball

Next

Return to Baseball Leftovers

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 14 guests

Forums Articles & Tips Sleepers Rankings Leagues


Today's Games
Thursday, Jul. 31
(All times are EST, weather icons show forecast for game time)

Chi White Sox at Detroit
(1:08 pm)
Colorado at Chi Cubs
(2:20 pm)
St. Louis at San Diego
(3:40 pm)
Philadelphia at Washington
(7:05 pm)
Seattle at Cleveland
(7:05 pm)
LA Angels at Baltimore
(7:05 pm)
Cincinnati at Miami
(7:10 pm)
indoors
Toronto at Houston
(8:10 pm)
Minnesota at Kansas City
(8:10 pm)
Pittsburgh at Arizona
(9:40 pm)
Atlanta at LA Dodgers
(10:10 pm)

  • Fantasy Baseball
  • Article Submissions
  • Privacy Statement
  • Site Survey 
  • Contact