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Postby rainman23 » Thu Jul 31, 2008 3:21 pm

Looking for thoughts on trading ethics. I'm contending for the top spot in my H2H league, and I made an offer to another owner who has fallen off the pace. He accepted. When I was talking to him later, it sounded pretty clear that he had given up on the season. He didn't much care about his team anymore, and hadn't give much thought to how the trade would affect his team or the rest of the league. He just didn't care anymore.

The guy's my friend. I'm not sure whether he would have accepted the same offer from any other manager in his apathetic state or not. Or if he was more prone to toss me a bone because he knows me better. He admitted that if he was still in contention that this is a deal he might not have accepted. And agreed that maybe he was wrong to accept it.

Anyway, skating a little close to collusion for my tastes. So I told our commissioner what was going on, and suggested we rally enough "No" votes in the league to have the trade rejected. After consideration, she and some others in the league decided that it was a pretty balanced trade. She'd help get it reversed if I wanted, but didn't think it's necessary. Completely up to me.

What do people think? I did check with the other guys who are contending. One of them said he didn't have any problem with the deal. The other one is unavailable. It looks like I won't catch up with him until after the deal is official.

So what do you think? Am I a complete weenie, worried about nothing? Or if there is any doubt in my mind about the legitimacy of the deal, do I have to pull the plug on it?
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Re: Trade Ethics

Postby WyldStallyn » Thu Jul 31, 2008 3:23 pm

i see nothing wrong with it. as long as its not crazy unbalanced, and it doesnt sound like it is, then stop worrying :-)
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Re: Trade Ethics

Postby RocketsDWM » Thu Jul 31, 2008 3:24 pm

Out of curiosity, what was the deal?
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Re: Trade Ethics

Postby Maris09 » Thu Jul 31, 2008 3:25 pm

This kinda stuff happens in almost every league almost every year. Some poeple care and some people don't. If nobody is making a stink about it I wouldn't worry about it.
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Re: Trade Ethics

Postby Bloody Sox » Thu Jul 31, 2008 3:27 pm

Don't sweat it - you gave the commissioner your side of the story, leave it to him/her to decide.
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Re: Trade Ethics

Postby BALCO All-Stars » Thu Jul 31, 2008 3:32 pm

another vote for "don't sweat it". It doesn't bother the rest of the league, so it shouldn't bother you.
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Re: Trade Ethics

Postby thejusman1 » Thu Jul 31, 2008 3:48 pm

What was the deal?
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Re: Trade Ethics

Postby markj11 » Thu Jul 31, 2008 3:52 pm

rainman23 wrote:Looking for thoughts on trading ethics. I'm contending for the top spot in my H2H league, and I made an offer to another owner who has fallen off the pace. He accepted. When I was talking to him later, it sounded pretty clear that he had given up on the season. He didn't much care about his team anymore, and hadn't give much thought to how the trade would affect his team or the rest of the league. He just didn't care anymore.

The guy's my friend. I'm not sure whether he would have accepted the same offer from any other manager in his apathetic state or not. Or if he was more prone to toss me a bone because he knows me better. He admitted that if he was still in contention that this is a deal he might not have accepted. And agreed that maybe he was wrong to accept it.

Anyway, skating a little close to collusion for my tastes. So I told our commissioner what was going on, and suggested we rally enough "No" votes in the league to have the trade rejected. After consideration, she and some others in the league decided that it was a pretty balanced trade. She'd help get it reversed if I wanted, but didn't think it's necessary. Completely up to me.

What do people think? I did check with the other guys who are contending. One of them said he didn't have any problem with the deal. The other one is unavailable. It looks like I won't catch up with him until after the deal is official.

So what do you think? Am I a complete weenie, worried about nothing? Or if there is any doubt in my mind about the legitimacy of the deal, do I have to pull the plug on it?


So you made a trade offer that you think is that unfair? Why do people do this?
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Re: Trade Ethics

Postby Maris09 » Thu Jul 31, 2008 4:06 pm

markj11 wrote:So you made a trade offer that you think is that unfair? Why do people do this?


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Re: Trade Ethics

Postby rainman23 » Thu Jul 31, 2008 4:07 pm

markj11 wrote:
rainman23 wrote:Looking for thoughts on trading ethics. I'm contending for the top spot in my H2H league, and I made an offer to another owner who has fallen off the pace. He accepted. When I was talking to him later, it sounded pretty clear that he had given up on the season. He didn't much care about his team anymore, and hadn't give much thought to how the trade would affect his team or the rest of the league. He just didn't care anymore.

The guy's my friend. I'm not sure whether he would have accepted the same offer from any other manager in his apathetic state or not. Or if he was more prone to toss me a bone because he knows me better. He admitted that if he was still in contention that this is a deal he might not have accepted. And agreed that maybe he was wrong to accept it.

Anyway, skating a little close to collusion for my tastes. So I told our commissioner what was going on, and suggested we rally enough "No" votes in the league to have the trade rejected. After consideration, she and some others in the league decided that it was a pretty balanced trade. She'd help get it reversed if I wanted, but didn't think it's necessary. Completely up to me.

What do people think? I did check with the other guys who are contending. One of them said he didn't have any problem with the deal. The other one is unavailable. It looks like I won't catch up with him until after the deal is official.

So what do you think? Am I a complete weenie, worried about nothing? Or if there is any doubt in my mind about the legitimacy of the deal, do I have to pull the plug on it?


So you made a trade offer that you think is that unfair? Why do people do this?


So you replied to a post that you haven't read? Why do people do this?

No, I didn't think it was unfair. And I didn't say that I thought it was. I said that the guy accepted it because he didn't care anymore. He didn't much consider the merits. "You want him, you got him."

The trade was my McLouth and Weaver (Angels) for his Kazmir. I think I got the best player in the deal, which is the point of 2-for-1's. But McLouth has had three excellent months and one bad one. And Weaver has outpitched Kazmir over the last few weeks. I like the deal, but I don't think it's too one-sided.

Thanks for everybody's input. I guess I am a weenie. I'll probably let the trade go through. I can sleep nights.
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