This doesn't seem like too bad of a deal to me for either team. The Angels didn't give up "fair value" for Teix. But they offered a better deal than Arizona did (IMO). I'd much rather have Kotchman than Tracy, and Owings is only slightly better than Marek IMO (Owings isn't doing too well in the majors right now, Marek's been pitching pretty well in AA)... Kotchman + Marek is certainly way better than a low first-round pick and a sandwich pick....
Kotchman is an above-average major league 1B. That's way better than a low first-round draft pick. Marek isn't that much worse than the sandwich pick.
Steal for the Angels, but the Braves got the best they could. Good job by both teams....
buffalobillsrul2002 wrote:This doesn't seem like too bad of a deal to me for either team. The Angels didn't give up "fair value" for Teix. But they offered a better deal than Arizona did (IMO). I'd much rather have Kotchman than Tracy, and Owings is only slightly better than Marek IMO (Owings isn't doing too well in the majors right now, Marek's been pitching pretty well in AA)... Kotchman + Marek is certainly way better than a low first-round pick and a sandwich pick....
Kotchman is an above-average major league 1B. That's way better than a low first-round draft pick. Marek isn't that much worse than the sandwich pick.
Steal for the Angels, but the Braves got the best they could. Good job by both teams....
This is the best deal the Braves were offered...which makes sense when it comes to his contract.
July 4th, 4:51 pm: Big Pelf is going to be an all out star...Pick him up before someone else does.
stumpak wrote:I think its funny that people are getting excited about Kotchman. This is a 1B with a .774 OPS. That must be in the bottom 10th percentile among MLB 1B. I would rather roll the dice with draft picks. What is the point of trading for someone that is substandard?
I can't believe that there was no one offerring a better deal.
That puts him at 20th in MLB. Not quite "bottom 10%". His BA is 9th best. He's 25 years old. He has all of ONE full MLB season under his belt.
What's funny is how he's been written off in this thread by some. Even more funny is how highly regarded the draft crapshoot is by some - like it's a done deal a first rounder becomes a great player. lol.
The Braves needed a 1B NOW. They wanted a pitching prospect. They got both. Further, they have Kotchman's upside locked up. That's more than you can hope for in a 1st round. Much more.
Why did they need a 1B NOW? They could just as easily have gotten a 3B in return and put that guy at 1B - any 3B can also play 1B just as well. In fact, they are punting the season - just put anyone there... who cares?
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stumpak wrote:I think its funny that people are getting excited about Kotchman. This is a 1B with a .774 OPS. That must be in the bottom 10th percentile among MLB 1B. I would rather roll the dice with draft picks. What is the point of trading for someone that is substandard?
I can't believe that there was no one offerring a better deal.
That puts him at 20th in MLB. Not quite "bottom 10%". His BA is 9th best. He's 25 years old. He has all of ONE full MLB season under his belt.
What's funny is how he's been written off in this thread by some. Even more funny is how highly regarded the draft crapshoot is by some - like it's a done deal a first rounder becomes a great player. lol.
The Braves needed a 1B NOW. They wanted a pitching prospect. They got both. Further, they have Kotchman's upside locked up. That's more than you can hope for in a 1st round. Much more.
Why did they need a 1B NOW? They could just as easily have gotten a 3B in return and put that guy at 1B - any 3B can also play 1B just as well. In fact, they are punting the season - just put anyone there... who cares?
The Braves really had no other options at 1B. Scott Thorman? He flunked. I don't think anyone wants to see Greg Norton play every day. No options I know of in the minors. And the statement of "just put a 3B guy over there" is a dumb idea.
Finally, there is only one 1B on the market this winter...Teixera.
I think the Braves did the best they could in this situation and they got a decent 1B they have under contract for awhile.
I would strongly disagree with this. At best he is player with potential to be an average (not top 10, but 11th through 19th range) 1B. Hitting .290 with 25 HRs is not going to get him to "above average" stage and he's not quite there yet.
He does field the position very well, but MLB first basemen are hitters first and fielders second.
I would strongly disagree with this. At best he is player with potential to be an average (not top 10, but 11th through 19th range) 1B. Hitting .290 with 25 HRs is not going to get him to "above average" stage and he's not quite there yet.
He does field the position very well, but MLB first basemen are hitters first and fielders second.
As would I. He currently ranks 20th in OBP and 17th in SLG amonst MLB 1B. That is not above average.
I like this deal as an Angel fan, but I really hope they re-sign him. If not I don't know who will be our 1B next year. I assume it'll be Morales (I hope to god it's not Quinlan). If we only didn't sign Matthews to his contract we could probably rationalize paying Tex what he wants.
For those of you saying Kotchman isn't above average, I would disagree. If you look at his numbers you would come to a conclusion that he is so-so. If you watch him, you'll see he really is improving and has the potential to be a .300 30 guy in the bigs with a gold glove. I'm not saying he will ever get to this point, but it's definitely a possibility.
You have no frame of reference, Donny. You're like a child who walks into the middle of a movie...
Phatferd wrote:I like this deal as an Angel fan, but I really hope they re-sign him. If not I don't know who will be our 1B next year. I assume it'll be Morales (I hope to god it's not Quinlan). If we only didn't sign Matthews to his contract we could probably rationalize paying Tex what he wants.
For those of you saying Kotchman isn't above average, I would disagree. If you look at his numbers you would come to a conclusion that he is so-so. If you watch him, you'll see he really is improving and has the potential to be a .300 30 guy in the bigs with a gold glove. I'm not saying he will ever get to this point, but it's definitely a possibility.
Maybe you guys can trade for Helton or Atkins or Kochanksky and send us some of that sweet sweet pitching
Phatferd wrote:I like this deal as an Angel fan, but I really hope they re-sign him. If not I don't know who will be our 1B next year. I assume it'll be Morales (I hope to god it's not Quinlan). If we only didn't sign Matthews to his contract we could probably rationalize paying Tex what he wants.
For those of you saying Kotchman isn't above average, I would disagree. If you look at his numbers you would come to a conclusion that he is so-so. If you watch him, you'll see he really is improving and has the potential to be a .300 30 guy in the bigs with a gold glove. I'm not saying he will ever get to this point, but it's definitely a possibility.
If I were an LAA fan I would be very pleased with this deal. Kotchman hasn't shown the power yet to be a MLB 1B, and like you said his very top-end potential might be 30HRs. So far he's a Frank Catalanotto type. I think LAA will end up getting comparable if not better players out of the 2 draft picks than what they had to give up, making this deal really about paying Mark's salary for the final months. I don't think there's any way they resign him before he hits the FA market, but I definitely think this makes them the team to beat. IMO that's worth Kotchman.
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