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Postby JTWood » Fri Oct 02, 2009 12:00 am

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Re: The New Pic Thread

Postby knapplc » Fri Oct 02, 2009 12:10 am

I see this all the time, especially with hawks and crows. The smaller, faster birds gang up on them and dive-bomb them until they leave the nesting area. It's pretty cool to watch these smaller birds kick butt
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Re: The New Pic Thread

Postby JTWood » Fri Oct 02, 2009 12:29 am

knapplc wrote:I see this all the time, especially with hawks and crows. The smaller, faster birds gang up on them and dive-bomb them until they leave the nesting area. It's pretty cool to watch these smaller birds kick butt

Yeah, that happens rather frequently, but perching on the hawk's back?

That's a new one.
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Postby JTWood » Fri Oct 02, 2009 8:07 am

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Re: The New Pic Thread

Postby Art Vandelay » Fri Oct 02, 2009 9:10 am

hahaha...man, I hope that last one is real.
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Re: The New Pic Thread

Postby Neato Torpedo » Fri Oct 02, 2009 11:21 pm

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Re: The New Pic Thread

Postby jake_twothousandfive » Sat Oct 03, 2009 10:07 pm

Pretty cool image of one of the most famous events in baseball history:
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Re: The New Pic Thread

Postby JTWood » Sun Oct 04, 2009 12:22 am

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Re: The New Pic Thread

Postby woodson_28 » Sun Oct 04, 2009 12:33 am

jake_twothousandfive wrote:Pretty cool image of one of the most famous events in baseball history:
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reading through the article (right column, 2nd paragraph):

Ruth really made thirty-one home-runs last season, but two of his drives, which cleared the fence at Boston, were made in the ninth inning with a winning run on the bags, so it was officially credited with two baggers, instead of home runs.


Never heard of that before. Back then, if you hit a HR in the ninth, then it didn't always count as a HR (assuming the hitter isn't the winning run)? anybody know the rule behind that?
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Re: The New Pic Thread

Postby jake_twothousandfive » Sun Oct 04, 2009 10:21 am

woodson_28 wrote:reading through the article (right column, 2nd paragraph):

Ruth really made thirty-one home-runs last season, but two of his drives, which cleared the fence at Boston, were made in the ninth inning with a winning run on the bags, so it was officially credited with two baggers, instead of home runs.


Never heard of that before. Back then, if you hit a HR in the ninth, then it didn't always count as a HR (assuming the hitter isn't the winning run)? anybody know the rule behind that?

I found that pretty strange too.
Wikipedia wrote:Prior to 1931, a ball that bounced over an outfield fence during a major league game was considered a home run. The rule was changed to require the ball to clear the fence on the fly, and balls that reached the seats on a bounce became ground rule doubles in most parks. A carryover of the old rule is that if a player deflects a ball over the outfield fence without it touching the ground, it is a home run.

Also, until approximately that time, the ball had to not only go over the fence in fair territory, but to land in the bleachers in fair territory or to still be visibly fair when disappearing behind a wall. The rule stipulated "fair when last seen" by the umpires. Photos from that era in ballparks, such as the Polo Grounds and Yankee Stadium, show ropes strung from the foul poles to the back of the bleachers, or a second "foul pole" at the back of the bleachers, in a straight line with the foul line, as a visual aid for the umpire. Ballparks still use a visual aid much like the ropes; a net or screen attached to the foul poles on the fair side has replaced ropes. As with American football, where a touchdown once required a literal "touch down" of the ball in the end zone but now only requires the "breaking of the [vertical] plane" of the goal line, in baseball the ball need only "break the plane" of the fence in fair territory (unless the balls is caught by a player who is in play, in which case the batter is called out).

Babe Ruth's 60th home run in 1927 was somewhat controversial, because it landed barely in fair territory in the stands down the right field line. Ruth lost a number of home runs in his career due to the when-last-seen rule. Bill Jenkinson, in The Year Babe Ruth Hit 104 Home Runs, estimates that Ruth lost at least 50 and as many as 78 in his career due to this rule.

Further, the rules once stipulated that an over-the-fence home run in a sudden-victory situation would only count for as many bases as was necessary to "force" the winning run home. For example, if a team trailed by two runs with the bases loaded, and the batter hit a fair ball over the fence, it only counted as a triple, because the runner immediately ahead of him had technically already scored the game-winning run. That rule was changed in the 1920s as home runs became increasingly frequent and popular. Babe Ruth's career total of 714 would have been one higher had that rule not been in effect in the early part of his career.


Based on the newspaper snip-it, that last sentence should read, "Ruth's total of 714 would have been two higher had that rule not been in effect in the early part of his career", but it looks like he lost more due to the "fair when last seen rule."
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