wow, now 80 degree heat is considered a threat too? if i have a pitcher who cant pitch in a friggin 80 degree atmosphere and throw 110 pitches when i need him too, then i wont even want/need him in the future. whats the point? if hes only throwing 80-90 pitches a game now, when do you expect him to be able to tough it out in a big game if need be? listen, im not saying let the kid throw 140 pitches, but hes reached 120 just once, and is averging like 105-110 pitches a game. not a big deal in the least. the asb gave him some rest even though he was a little dehydrated but come on.[/quote]
Im not saying 80 degree heat should be an issue but coupled with what transpired over the all star break don't you think it should at least factor in??
Snakes Gould wrote:if we're talking 100 degrees, im with you. 80 degrees? thats below average for the summer time!
I'm from Vancouver, Canada. Thats a cooker IMO
Im not saying thats the sole reason man. I'm just putting everything together.
Young arm Future of the franchise Over 100 pitches Not looking his sharpest Hospitalized a few days ago for dehydration 80 degrees out Team not going anywhere FUTURE OF FRANCHISE
If I'm Bochy there's just no way I run him out there in the 7th. Sorry.
rjforlife wrote: down only 2-0 your 24 year old pitcher has thrown 112 pitches, a ton of them out of the stretch in high pressure situations
see i cant follow this logic. mentally sure, he could be over working him, but because the bases are loaded or the tying run is at 2nd, means nothing in terms of rotator cuffs, elbow ligaments, or obliques.
I don't think I agree... I don't know enough about the biophysics of pitching to say for certain, but I'd think that pitching in tougher situations would force a pitcher to reach back for that something extra or put a little more action on pitches to work out of those jams, which in turn could strain the elbow or shoulder. I don't recall who I heard talk about this before - someone on ESPN or a former player or someone like that.
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I'm going to go ahead and say that if a pitcher gets an arm injury he's going to get an arm injury....if he is babied early in his career that arm injury may just show up a couple years later in his career. I'd rather my guy, if he is going to get injuried, do it at a young age so he can come back and dominate as opposed to him going down in middle of his prime years...26-29 years old.
I also think a young kid could learn an awful lot about the game and himself when he goes back out after a decent # of pitches with the game still close at hand....good learning experience there and something I would want my ace/future ace to get accustomed too! I don't think 105-110 pitches is too much to get worried about. An ace should be able to handle that, IMO. And he is 24....its not like King Felix where they were working him along slow at 19,20,21 years old.
The key to me will be to see how many pitches he throws his next time or two out. If he goes 115+ plus again after 120+ then that doesn't look too good.
With all that said, Bochey knows this kid better than anyone else....some people can just go longer than most. 110 pitches isn't the same for every player.
rjforlife wrote: down only 2-0 your 24 year old pitcher has thrown 112 pitches, a ton of them out of the stretch in high pressure situations
see i cant follow this logic. mentally sure, he could be over working him, but because the bases are loaded or the tying run is at 2nd, means nothing in terms of rotator cuffs, elbow ligaments, or obliques.
I don't think I agree... I don't know enough about the biophysics of pitching to say for certain, but I'd think that pitching in tougher situations would force a pitcher to reach back for that something extra or put a little more action on pitches to work out of those jams, which in turn could strain the elbow or shoulder. I don't recall who I heard talk about this before - someone on ESPN or a former player or someone like that.
he could reach back and put a little bit more on it in the 1st inning on an 0-2 count, looking to k the guy, thats not the point. a smart pitcher will be throwing his best (not necessarily) his hardest during tough times. if there's 2 on, with 1 out, he may try to throw a sinker to get a DP ball, or a curve to get him to pop up. i was talking in the actual literal sense in that his arm doesnt feel the pressure of the situation if its a tie game or whether its a blow-out.
Snakes Gould wrote:if we're talking 100 degrees, im with you. 80 degrees? thats below average for the summer time!
I'm from Vancouver, Canada. Thats a cooker IMO
Im not saying thats the sole reason man. I'm just putting everything together.
Young arm Future of the franchise Over 100 pitches Not looking his sharpest Hospitalized a few days ago for dehydration 80 degrees out Team not going anywhere FUTURE OF FRANCHISE
If I'm Bochy there's just no way I run him out there in the 7th. Sorry.
Agreed. Plus, even though SF is cooler than most cities, a day game will still take more out of you. There were too many reasons to take him out, very poor decision.
Obviously it is always a concern when a pitcher is going 100+ every outing. It's been well documented that excessive workload can lead to injuries. The only thing about Lincecum is that he pitched a ton in college which was the main reason why 9 other teams took a pass on him so I'm not as worried. He is also past his injury nexus and he doesn't seem to put as much stress on his arm, elbow and shoulder (although his back, hip and legs are a different story). If he keeps going well past the century mark every outing then it might be time to start worrying.
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I have not been on here in a while...What are peoples opinions now...He is throwing 110+ a game..He threw 138 last week..I'm somewhat worried about him going into next year..IMO he has been abused this year ..
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