Havok1517 wrote:FWI, McLouth and Cliff Lee belong on no keeper lists imo. You're giving too much credence to what they did in the 1st half. Sorry, but there are a ton more guys I'd rather keep.
how many? i think you'd be silly not to include them in at least a top 100-150 list.
Why? They are just here because they had a good 1st half this year. McLouth is already coming back down and Lee should be well on his way as well. This is probably both's career year and are only a half season away from being WW (heck even in the minors) material. Nope, I'd much rather take someone with more upside. These 2 guys, along with Ryan Ludwick, are the players I'd sell high on the most.
dclark0699 wrote:I don't see much difference between now and preseason, but some newcomers.
1. Hanley Ramirez 2. Alex Rodriguez 3. Chase Utley 4. David Wright 5. Albert Pujols 6. Matt Holliday 7. Jose Reyes 8. Miguel Cabrera 9. Ryan Braun 10. Grady Sizemore 11. Ryan Howard 12. Jimmy Rollins 13. Lance Berkeman 14. Carlos Beltran 15. Prince Fielder 16. Brandon Phillips 17. Ichiro 18. BJ Upton 19. Carlos Lee 20. David Ortiz 21. Mark Texieria 22. Justin Morneau 23. Josh Hamilton 24. Ian Kinsler 25. Carl Crawford
Pitchers 1. Johan Santana 2. Jake Peavy 3. Brandon Webb 4. CC Sabathia 5. Cole Hamels 6. Tim Lincecum 7. John Lackey 8. Dan Haren 9. Carlos Zambrano 10. Scott Kazmir 11. Josh Beckett 12. Eric Bedard 13. Roy Halladay 14. Edinson Volquez 15. Ben Sheets
this made me smile as i have hanley, arod, utley in my keep5. also have sizemore and webb
Havok1517 wrote:FWI, McLouth and Cliff Lee belong on no keeper lists imo. You're giving too much credence to what they did in the 1st half. Sorry, but there are a ton more guys I'd rather keep.
how many? i think you'd be silly not to include them in at least a top 100-150 list.
Why? They are just here because they had a good 1st half this year. McLouth is already coming back down and Lee should be well on his way as well. This is probably both's career year and are only a half season away from being WW (heck even in the minors) material. Nope, I'd much rather take someone with more upside. These 2 guys, along with Ryan Ludwick, are the players I'd sell high on the most.
McLouth (27 yo) not worthy of a top 100-150 keeper slot?
His last 161 games: .271, 114 R, 31 HR, 96 RBI, 27 SB
He almost went 15/15 last season after the ASB. Just because he doesn't have the name value. He's easily a top-100 keeper.
AquaMan2342 wrote:Why? They are just here because they had a good 1st half this year. McLouth is already coming back down and Lee should be well on his way as well. This is probably both's career year and are only a half season away from being WW (heck even in the minors) material. Nope, I'd much rather take someone with more upside. These 2 guys, along with Ryan Ludwick, are the players I'd sell high on the most.
McLouth (27 yo) not worthy of a top 100-150 keeper slot?
His last 161 games: .271, 114 R, 31 HR, 96 RBI, 27 SB
He almost went 15/15 last season after the ASB. Just because he doesn't have the name value. He's easily a top-100 keeper.[/quote]
He might make yours but not mine. Also, add that top prospect Andrew McCutchen will supplate him in CF as soon as next year...nope he's not making mine. I'd rather keep McCuthen over McLouth in a keeper, if minors leaguers were eligible. Bruce, Maybin, Rasmus, & Gonzalez are better keepers in my mind. Remember Eric Byrnes last year compared to this year? Well, that will be the result for McLouth in my mind next year.
AquaMan2342 wrote:Why? They are just here because they had a good 1st half this year. McLouth is already coming back down and Lee should be well on his way as well. This is probably both's career year and are only a half season away from being WW (heck even in the minors) material. Nope, I'd much rather take someone with more upside. These 2 guys, along with Ryan Ludwick, are the players I'd sell high on the most.
McLouth (27 yo) not worthy of a top 100-150 keeper slot?
His last 161 games: .271, 114 R, 31 HR, 96 RBI, 27 SB
He almost went 15/15 last season after the ASB. Just because he doesn't have the name value. He's easily a top-100 keeper.
He might make yours but not mine. Also, add that top prospect Andrew McCutchen will supplate him in CF as soon as next year...nope he's not making mine. I'd rather keep McCuthen over McLouth in a keeper, if minors leaguers were eligible. Bruce, Maybin, Rasmus, & Gonzalez are better keepers in my mind. Remember Eric Byrnes last year compared to this year? Well, that will be the result for McLouth in my mind next year.[/quote]
Eric Byrnes has been hurt all year.......just because they both have longish blonde hair doesn't mean they should be looked at in a similar light. Anyways, there's no way McLouth is just going to flat out lose his job next year! You gotta be kidding me! If anything they would trade him somewhere where he could still play every day. Give the guy some credit. I'd say you are definitely in the minority on this one, but whatever.
Look, I totally think McLouth is going to be overvalued next season. There's very, very little chance he'll wind up on any team of mine in a re-draft format. And if I had to weigh him against a veteran with a disappointing season but a longer track record (Alex Rios, Torii Hunter, Bobby Abreu, etc.), I'd go for the veteran.
That said, it's completely insane to take a guy who hasn't played a single major league game over him. Especially since his peripherals aren't discouraging at all. Excellent strikeout rate, good plate discipline, very good fly ball tendencies, well-rounded power and speed.
Maybe he's not going to be a 3rd or 4th round value, and maybe he'll get drafted there, or kept as if he is one...but don't think that McCutchen is going to storm into the league, replace him in CF, and be fantasy valuable for many, many years to come. The same goes for the other rookies, especially Maybin and Gonzalez. Those players will be All-Stars sometime in the future, maybe perennial ones early next decade, but unless you are in a dynasty league looking to rebuild for the long-haul, the choice isn't even close.
You mentioned Eric Byrnes, but the comparison isn't apt. First of all, Byrnes was killed this year by injuries. Second, I remember doubting Byrnes coming off his great 2006 season just as like you're doubting McLouth right now. And Byrnes made me pay in 2007.
In sum, overrated, sure. But the hyperbole on McCutchen won't cut it either.
OK. I'll give this a shot. My keeper league is 12 teams keep 5 so I will attempt to project who I think will be the 60 players that I would keep for next year. I will include 15 pitchers (13 SP and 2 RP). I will do it this way because that is the number of SP's & RP's kept for this year in my league. I will put them in rounds of 12 but I will not rank them within the round as that would be next to impossible at this point (deciding on 45 hitters and 15 pitchers was enough work). I also assumed that everyone listed would stay healthy the rest of the year. I know it is not perfect and I know everyone has their own prejudices but this is my quick take if I was drafting today for a keeper league starting in '09.
rd 1: ARod H Ramirez Wright Reyes Braun Utley Sizemore Holliday Puols Berkman M Cabrera Hamilton-I could not decide between Howard, Fielder and Lee so I went with Hamilton
rd 2: Fielder Howard C Lee Kinsler Santana Crawford Teixeira Morneau M Ramirez Soriano Rollins Ichiro
rd 3: Volquez Peavy Webb Lincecum Sabathia Guerrero Phillips Upton A Gonzalez D Lee Ordonez Beltran
rd 4: Halladay Hamels Haren Papelbon C Quentin Youkillis Bay A Ramirez Hart Kemp McLouth Longoria
rd 5: F Rodriguez Sheets Lackey Beckett F Hernandez Markakis Ludwick C Jones Dunn Bruce Bay Pedroia
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by Havok1517 » Mon Jul 21, 2008 2:14 pm 
