Kingctb27 wrote:Hey, say what you want about the Avatar, but I'm not biased to Buchholz because he plays for the Red Sox.
I hear you king, I'm just busting your chops a little.
Yoda wrote:I see your point about Joba but I'm not sure if I agree. I've watched most of his starts and what he is lacking is consistency right now, hence the high number of BB's that usually come in bunches. Also, a lot of the hits he's been giving up are just great hitting by someone or weakly hit bloopers and singles that fall in. So he puts a fair number of men on base but because he is so dominant, he's able to get out of trouble: i.e. Kazmir, Wood, Lincecum, or any young dominant pitchers with a high K rate and WHIP.
I think Joba will continue to improve and we'll start seeing more great outings versus crappy ones.
Wow, very well put. That more or less sums up yesterday's outing (without the walks, of course ).
Joba gave up 7 hits yesterday, but those 7 included a bleeder by Lind, a bunt single by Inglett that Posada underhanded into right field (maybe the ugliest play I've seen all year, btw), Wilkerson's bloop to center, and Lind's "double" which was actually a routine popup that Cano lost in the ceiling.
It was also very encouraging to see the 0BB. They've never been a huge problem for him in the past, and I think his recent struggles with them have more to do with the transition from bullpen (where he could try to strike everyone out) to the rotation (where he needs to pitch to contact a little more). I wouldn't be surprised if his WHIP falls into the mid to low 1.2s by the end of the season.
I would say that it's not even worth trying to figure who's going to be the better pitcher between Joba or Clay. They're both very good, and I'd be happy with either. Right now I have Joba, so that's who I'll be rolling with.
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Kingctb27 wrote:Hey, say what you want about the Avatar, but I'm not biased to Buchholz because he plays for the Red Sox.
I hear you king, I'm just busting your chops a little.
Yoda wrote:I see your point about Joba but I'm not sure if I agree. I've watched most of his starts and what he is lacking is consistency right now, hence the high number of BB's that usually come in bunches. Also, a lot of the hits he's been giving up are just great hitting by someone or weakly hit bloopers and singles that fall in. So he puts a fair number of men on base but because he is so dominant, he's able to get out of trouble: i.e. Kazmir, Wood, Lincecum, or any young dominant pitchers with a high K rate and WHIP.
I think Joba will continue to improve and we'll start seeing more great outings versus crappy ones.
Wow, very well put. That more or less sums up yesterday's outing (without the walks, of course ).
Joba gave up 7 hits yesterday, but those 7 included a bleeder by Lind, a bunt single by Inglett that Posada underhanded into right field (maybe the ugliest play I've seen all year, btw), Wilkerson's bloop to center, and Lind's "double" which was actually a routine popup that Cano lost in the ceiling.
It was also very encouraging to see the 0BB. They've never been a huge problem for him in the past, and I think his recent struggles with them have more to do with the transition from bullpen (where he could try to strike everyone out) to the rotation (where he needs to pitch to contact a little more). I wouldn't be surprised if his WHIP falls into the mid to low 1.2s by the end of the season.
I would say that it's not even worth trying to figure who's going to be the better pitcher between Joba or Clay. They're both very good, and I'd be happy with either. Right now I have Joba, so that's who I'll be rolling with.
They are tweaking his delivery right now, hoping to make his arm angle more consistent.
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by deerayfan072 » Fri Jul 11, 2008 9:10 pm 
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