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Re: How will the Wisconsin Diet effect CC's "Girth"

Postby Kingctb27 » Mon Jul 07, 2008 2:30 pm

I wouldn't be throwing around "Girth" like that.
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Re: How will the Wisconsin Diet effect CC's "Girth"

Postby acsguitar » Mon Jul 07, 2008 2:39 pm

Kingctb27 wrote:I wouldn't be throwing around "Girth" like that.


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Re: How will the Wisconsin Diet effect CC's "Girth"

Postby seniorpaul » Mon Jul 07, 2008 3:22 pm

He should be fine. We've got plenty of Miller Lite to balance everything out.
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Re: Sabathia Trade

Postby Scooter1027 » Mon Jul 07, 2008 3:41 pm

Ursa wrote:No offense but your first paragraph is ill-informed. If you're obtaining your data from the Indians announcers then you'd be better off interrogating Donald Duck. Fact is, Gomez has lit a fire under the Twins this year and is way better than any of the batters you listed. His combo with Casilla is making people (except in Cleveland, apparently) sit up and take notice. Check out how your ace Cliff Lee got rattled by them yesterday. A series sweep, wasn't it?

The Twins didn't need another middle of the order guy, they needed a leadoff hitter / center fielder following Castillo's and Hunter's departures and they have two for the price of one - in spades. This was a good trade for the Twins as they couldn't possibly have kept Johan. If your new prospect measures up to Gomez this season, let us know.

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Pretty defensive about Gomez there. I have to say I agree with the Indians fan ... I'd rather have LaPorta then Gomez. Carlos still certainly has upside, and I was pretty impressed by his defense in the 2 series I watched him play against Milwaukee. But as a leadoff hitter? No thanks. .305 OBP, an alarming 89 K for a guy that has little to no power, only 14 BB, and a fairly mediocre 72% conversion rate on SB attempts (21 SB / 8 CS). The guy can drag bunt with the best of them, but otherwise he's been uninspiring offensively. On the plus side, he's only 22, so there is definitely plenty of time for him to improve offensively. The defense is already there, from what I've seen.

So, while LaPorta may or may not make it to the big club this year, I would take his long-term prospects over Gomez' at this point, which is all that matters to Cleveland as they are not in contention in 2008.
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Re: How will the Wisconsin Diet effect CC's "Girth"

Postby acsguitar » Mon Jul 07, 2008 3:56 pm

seniorpaul wrote:He should be fine. We've got plenty of Miller Lite to balance everything out.


He should be drinking PBR duh. I can't believe this got merged. My thread was a super serious and completly unrelated thread :)
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Re: Sabathia Trade

Postby Yoda » Mon Jul 07, 2008 3:57 pm

Scooter1027 wrote:
Ursa wrote:No offense but your first paragraph is ill-informed. If you're obtaining your data from the Indians announcers then you'd be better off interrogating Donald Duck. Fact is, Gomez has lit a fire under the Twins this year and is way better than any of the batters you listed. His combo with Casilla is making people (except in Cleveland, apparently) sit up and take notice. Check out how your ace Cliff Lee got rattled by them yesterday. A series sweep, wasn't it?

The Twins didn't need another middle of the order guy, they needed a leadoff hitter / center fielder following Castillo's and Hunter's departures and they have two for the price of one - in spades. This was a good trade for the Twins as they couldn't possibly have kept Johan. If your new prospect measures up to Gomez this season, let us know.

Thanks.


Pretty defensive about Gomez there. I have to say I agree with the Indians fan ... I'd rather have LaPorta then Gomez. Carlos still certainly has upside, and I was pretty impressed by his defense in the 2 series I watched him play against Milwaukee. But as a leadoff hitter? No thanks. .305 OBP, an alarming 89 K for a guy that has little to no power, only 14 BB, and a fairly mediocre 72% conversion rate on SB attempts (21 SB / 8 CS). The guy can drag bunt with the best of them, but otherwise he's been uninspiring offensively. On the plus side, he's only 22, so there is definitely plenty of time for him to improve offensively. The defense is already there, from what I've seen.

So, while LaPorta may or may not make it to the big club this year, I would take his long-term prospects over Gomez' at this point, which is all that matters to Cleveland as they are not in contention in 2008.


Not sure but I'd much rather have Gomez in real life even if we went back to pre-Santana trade. He is younger, more proven and plays a very scarce position. As he develops, it's clear that he will be a plus player all around at his position.
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Re: Sabathia Trade

Postby Matthias » Mon Jul 07, 2008 5:25 pm

Ursa wrote:No offense but your first paragraph is ill-informed. If you're obtaining your data from the Indians announcers then you'd be better off interrogating Donald Duck. Fact is, Gomez has lit a fire under the Twins this year and is way better than any of the batters you listed. His combo with Casilla is making people (except in Cleveland, apparently) sit up and take notice. Check out how your ace Cliff Lee got rattled by them yesterday. A series sweep, wasn't it?

The Twins didn't need another middle of the order guy, they needed a leadoff hitter / center fielder following Castillo's and Hunter's departures and they have two for the price of one - in spades. This was a good trade for the Twins as they couldn't possibly have kept Johan. If your new prospect measures up to Gomez this season, let us know.

Thanks.

Fact is, Gomez sucks. He's K'ed 7 times for every time he's taken a walk so far this season and as was pointed out, has a .305 OBP despite having gotten over a third of his hits inside of the infield, 20 of them bunt singles.

Twins fans are absolutely nuts (and I'm a MN native). Eight months ago, they considered Ellsbury, Lester, Masterson, and Lowrie an insult for a, "once in a generation pitcher" (I frequent the StarTrib boards occasionally, too). And today Gomez and some throw-ins they're calling a great deal.

I don't know how good LaPorta is going to be, but I would be careful about yelling too loudly about measuring up to Gomez.
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Re: Sabathia Trade

Postby buffalobillsrul2002 » Mon Jul 07, 2008 6:58 pm

Wow. Shapiro was in a tough spot here, methinks. What he got in LaPorta, a couple of mediocre prospects, and maybe Tyler Green who's pretty good, is way better than the picks he would get and probably the best deal he could get for Sabathia. While I think he's selling Sabathia for about 70 cents on the dollar, you're better of selling the dollar and getting 70 cents than you are selling the dollar and getting 50 cents (the two sandwich picks). At the same time, Milwaukee makes out really well in this deal as LaPorta was blocked, and if you're going to trade him, you may as well trade him for the best....
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Re: Sabathia Trade

Postby RAmst23 » Mon Jul 07, 2008 8:25 pm

The way the market is and how many teams seem to hoard prospects now, seems like a solid trade for the Indians. The teams knew that Cleveland was selling, and didn't have to offer much more than 2 sandwich picks. I think 3-5 years ago this trade is bad, but the way teams have protected their prospects lately this is a good deal.

what a great move by Milwaukee by the way. Though they give up some talent, they still have plenty more in their farm systems and are legitimate contenders. If this team makes the playoffs, no one can argue that they have a shot. The fact that they'll likely not sign either Sheets or Sabathia, and have a monopoly on talent the next draft is ridiculous. Well run organization, and this is coming from a Cards fan!
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Re: Sabathia Trade

Postby Third Day » Mon Jul 07, 2008 8:39 pm

Brewers put Suppan on the DL today.
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