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Re: How Come Some RPs Get Wins and Others Don't?

Postby Yoda » Sat Jun 28, 2008 2:57 pm

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TomBrooklyn wrote:So is an RP collecting Wins completely random and unpredictable, or is it predictable that some RPs will be more likely to get into the kind of situations where they they are positioned to garner Ws?


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bigh0rt wrote:It's a combination of being used in certain situations, your teams ability to score late/come from behind, and luck.



Some relievers are likely to get more wins than other relievers due to the managers use of said player, but just because it's more likely (i.e. probable) doesn't mean it's going to happen.

Just to revisit stat line from the past, I remember having Keith Foulke on my fantasy team when he was the closer for the A's in 2003. He has 9 wins and 43 saves 8-o , now those are fantasy numbers.


I remember that about Foulke because he lost his job in 02 and then was traded to OAK for Koch and I grabbed him in every league as my top closer. He was unreal that year.
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Re: How Come Some RPs Get Wins and Others Don't?

Postby Inukchuk » Sat Jun 28, 2008 3:03 pm

Yoda wrote:
Field wrote:
TomBrooklyn wrote:So is an RP collecting Wins completely random and unpredictable, or is it predictable that some RPs will be more likely to get into the kind of situations where they they are positioned to garner Ws?


See:

bigh0rt wrote:It's a combination of being used in certain situations, your teams ability to score late/come from behind, and luck.



Some relievers are likely to get more wins than other relievers due to the managers use of said player, but just because it's more likely (i.e. probable) doesn't mean it's going to happen.

Just to revisit stat line from the past, I remember having Keith Foulke on my fantasy team when he was the closer for the A's in 2003. He has 9 wins and 43 saves 8-o , now those are fantasy numbers.


I remember that about Foulke because he lost his job in 02 and then was traded to OAK for Koch and I grabbed him in every league as my top closer. He was unreal that year.


x2. That was my first year of fantasy ball. I absolutely killed my league, due as much to luck as anything, but I still remember the guys on that team fondly... Pujols (at 3B!), Prior, Helton, Sheff, Webb, Dontrelle, Johan (my 20th rounder!)...

OK, I'm rambling. Point was, Foulke was nuts that year...
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Re: How Come Some RPs Get Wins and Others Don't?

Postby NZ Eff » Sat Jun 28, 2008 3:05 pm

Yoda wrote:
Inukchuk wrote:Out of curiousity hort, do you take into account wins for RP when your making preseason rankings, or do you find it too much of a crap shoot?

I'll usually just project them close to what they've done in the past, sans outliers...


I do not account for Ws for pitching period.


That's a mistake. I know Wins are very dependent on luck but pitcher ratings should reflect the quality of a pitchers team (offense, bullpen etc).
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Re: How Come Some RPs Get Wins and Others Don't?

Postby Yoda » Sat Jun 28, 2008 3:08 pm

NZ Eff wrote:
Yoda wrote:
Inukchuk wrote:Out of curiousity hort, do you take into account wins for RP when your making preseason rankings, or do you find it too much of a crap shoot?

I'll usually just project them close to what they've done in the past, sans outliers...


I do not account for Ws for pitching period.


That's a mistake. I know Wins are very dependent on luck but pitcher ratings should reflect the quality of a pitchers team (offense, bullpen etc).


Oh yeah it's a mistake since apparently you are the authority on rating pitchers. :-b

The only time I will even consider a pitcher's team is if two pitchers have nearly identical skill sets in which case I'll take the one on the better team in hopes for extra W's.
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Re: How Come Some RPs Get Wins and Others Don't?

Postby NZ Eff » Sat Jun 28, 2008 3:17 pm

Yoda wrote:The only time I will even consider a pitcher's team is if two pitchers have nearly identical skill sets in which case I'll take the one on the better team in hopes for extra W's.


:-? So what you're saying now is you do rate pitchers on wins :-)
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Re: How Come Some RPs Get Wins and Others Don't?

Postby Yoda » Sat Jun 28, 2008 3:23 pm

NZ Eff wrote:
Yoda wrote:The only time I will even consider a pitcher's team is if two pitchers have nearly identical skill sets in which case I'll take the one on the better team in hopes for extra W's.


:-? So what you're saying now is you do rate pitchers on wins.


No that is not what I am saying. Only when two pitchers have nearly identical skill sets will I even consider Ws. I look at age, track record, career progression, health history, role, competition, stuff, K, BB, HR, age, league, park, projectability all before I even consider what team the pitcher is on. Very rare that it ever comes down team.
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Re: How Come Some RPs Get Wins and Others Don't?

Postby NZ Eff » Sat Jun 28, 2008 3:28 pm

Yoda wrote:No that is not what I am saying. Only when two pitchers have nearly identical skill sets will I even consider Ws.


I repeat, so what you're saying is you do use wins now to rate pitchers :-)
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Re: How Come Some RPs Get Wins and Others Don't?

Postby Yoda » Sat Jun 28, 2008 3:30 pm

NZ Eff wrote:
Yoda wrote:No that is not what I am saying. Only when two pitchers have nearly identical skill sets will I even consider Ws.


I repeat, so what you're saying is you do use wins now to rate pitchers :-)


Whatever you want to believe. :-°

Hard to argue with someone who doesn't think that K's don't matter.
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Re: How Come Some RPs Get Wins and Others Don't?

Postby NZ Eff » Sat Jun 28, 2008 3:40 pm

Yoda wrote:Whatever you want to believe. :-°


Lmao. You said I never use wins period. 5 mins later you admitted you do use them.

There's only one person smoking here pal, and it ain't me ;-)
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Re: How Come Some RPs Get Wins and Others Don't?

Postby Yoda » Sat Jun 28, 2008 4:09 pm

NZ Eff wrote:
Yoda wrote:Whatever you want to believe. :-°


Lmao. You said I never use wins period. 5 mins later you admitted you do use them.

There's only one person smoking here pal, and it ain't me ;-)


If I use it 1% of the time then I consider that as a none issue. But you just want to argue for the sake of arguing. You go ahead and project Ws. Let's see if you are even 50% right.
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