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Re: Barry Zito

Postby JasonSeahorn » Fri Jun 27, 2008 4:25 pm

Alright, even considering that the contract-year thing is blown way out of proportion, I can't say there is absolutely NO part of it. If you have player X and player Y who are both normally just as good as each other and both struggling the same way, but one of them is due for a new contract and the other isn't, you don't think there is a tiny twinkle of thought in the contract-year player saying "I'm not just playing for this season, my performance is going to affect how teams value me in the offseason"? Even if it's tiny, it's still there IMO. The second player is of course also thinking about how they are doing, but I can't say there is absolutely no difference between the two players' mindsets. It's an extra thing that may not be important to most players but I'm sure it would affect certain personalities.
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Re: Barry Zito

Postby Yanks_Baby » Fri Jun 27, 2008 4:26 pm

deerayfan072 wrote:
Yoda wrote:
JasonSeahorn wrote::-D :-b

I don't think Zito decided "I got paid now, so I will suck it up", more like "I got paid now, I don't have to give it my 1000000% all out performance that I can give." I mean, a lot of players will try their hardest the year before they can get a new contract...Zito doesn't look like he was a beast before in Oakland, but I think the general idea that a player will fall off a bit after they get their big contract can be applied. Zito just took it to a new level :-D


These guys are professional athletes. They are extremely competitive to the point that you nor I can possibly fathom. I doubt they can just turn their competitive switch on and off like you say.


I totally agree.

It is like Baldelli for the Rays and Sims for the Bucs. People in Tampa call up saying they are stealing from the organization because they take the money even thought they are hurt. They act like players are ok with taking money and either not playing or playing terribly. They want to play.

I'm not sure anyone says that about Baldelli. He's a really sad story. A ton of talent, finally gets the chance to do what he loves, and finds out he has mitochondreal deficiencies and will really never be able to be a full time player.
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Re: Barry Zito

Postby deerayfan072 » Fri Jun 27, 2008 5:15 pm

Yanks_Baby wrote:I'm not sure anyone says that about Baldelli. He's a really sad story. A ton of talent, finally gets the chance to do what he loves, and finds out he has mitochondreal deficiencies and will really never be able to be a full time player.


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Re: Barry Zito

Postby SlightlyStoopid » Fri Jun 27, 2008 11:51 pm

curious_george_43545 wrote:He was never all that good in Oakland, atleast not deserving of the praise he got. Now hes just awful, his fastball has no velocity and I really do feel bad for him even with that contract of his.


The Cy Young trophy sitting on his shelf disagrees with your first sentence (even though it should have gone to Pedro). His last three years were very pedestrian though.

If anyone ever read Moneyball they would know that Zito over thinks everything. There was a chapter about him and Mulder on how exactly opposite the two of them were. Mulder stated that when he started a game struggling he would just zone out and pitch, Zito when struggling would get inside his own head and over analyze why he thought he was missing the strike zone or getting hit so hard. I think that is what Zito is doing, that contract is in his head and he is so frustrated with himself that he is just freaking out inside that he sucks so hard. It's also hard to succeed when he throws a batting practice fastball and everyone lays off his curve that he has a hard time really locating anymore. Batters used to swing and miss at it if even when it was out of the strike zone.
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Re: Barry Zito

Postby Inukchuk » Fri Jun 27, 2008 11:54 pm

deerayfan072 wrote:
Yanks_Baby wrote:I'm not sure anyone says that about Baldelli. He's a really sad story. A ton of talent, finally gets the chance to do what he loves, and finds out he has mitochondreal deficiencies and will really never be able to be a full time player.


You must not live in Tampa Bay


Really? He gets bashed down there? That's too bad. They still love him up here in Rhode Island.
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Re: Barry Zito

Postby Yoda » Sat Jun 28, 2008 9:20 am

SlightlyStoopid wrote:The Cy Young trophy sitting on his shelf disagrees with your first sentence (even though it should have gone to Pedro). His last three years were very pedestrian though.


1. Cy Young doesn't matter
2. He didn't deserve the Cy
3. His Cy year was a fluke
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Re: Barry Zito

Postby Inukchuk » Sat Jun 28, 2008 9:26 am

Yoda wrote:1. Cy Young doesn't matter


Bartolo Colon vehemently disagrees...
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Re: Barry Zito

Postby deerayfan072 » Sat Jun 28, 2008 7:47 pm

Inukchuk wrote:
deerayfan072 wrote:
Yanks_Baby wrote:I'm not sure anyone says that about Baldelli. He's a really sad story. A ton of talent, finally gets the chance to do what he loves, and finds out he has mitochondreal deficiencies and will really never be able to be a full time player.


You must not live in Tampa Bay


Really? He gets bashed down there? That's too bad. They still love him up here in Rhode Island.


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