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Re: Do players deserve their Salaries?

Postby mak1277 » Tue Jun 24, 2008 12:21 pm

NorthSider2 wrote:Also how can some players complain about their salary when they are doing so well off compared to most people who also love baseball


When players complain about their salary, they are most certainly not thinking one little bit about "most people". And I don't blame them. It's a pride thing. If you compare yourself to someone and they are not as "good" as you are, then you're going to be upset if they make more money than you. Period. It doesn't matter if you're talking about two people making $30,000 a year or two MLB players making $10 million a year. Nobody likes the idea of being paid less than someone equally (or less) qualified.

I've always said about my career that I don't care how much money I make, as long as it's the most. I don't care if I make $50,000 or $1 million as long as none of my peers are making more.
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Re: Do players deserve their Salaries?

Postby Inukchuk » Tue Jun 24, 2008 12:34 pm

Bloody Sox wrote:
Why does it bug you when people complain about the players who take plays off? These guys make millions of dollars entirely because of those people - the paying fans have every right to demand that we get our money's worth and that they work their ass off for their money. If they don't, we have no recourse whatsoever except to complain about it by booing or calling talk radio or writing on message boards or whatever to try to get on their case and force them to change their behavior.


If I go to a game and ARod doesn't hustle out of the box on a routine grounder, who cares? My point is, everyone slacks off here and there, and just because a baseball player is on a big stage, some specatators feel as if they can play the "paying your salary" card to demand perfection all the time.

You do as much salary contribution to the local police as you do your local baseball player. Do you get upset when a cop lets someone off with a warning, rather than follow protocol and write a ticket?

How about your job? Have you ever taken an extra 5 minutes for lunch, or spent work time on the cafe? Have you ever taken a sick day when you weren't really sick? How is that different than jogging down the first base line?

No one is perfect, physically or mentally. To expect such is ignorant, and I think whining about something nit picky like hustling to first base is something that people do to make their financially-not-as-successful selves feel better, not because they pay for tickets to see ARod or Manny flying down the first base line on a can of corn.
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Re: Do players deserve their Salaries?

Postby NorthSider2 » Tue Jun 24, 2008 1:28 pm

I just can't seem to imagen getting payed to play baseball, but some guys don't hustle. I get the whole supply and demand idea, but these guys are like OLD little leaguers because they get to play baseball everyday (except off-season) and get payed to do it. But yet some don't even hustle day in day out. I just think the players see $$ more than actually playing the game (some cases)
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Re: Do players deserve their Salaries?

Postby Bobbleheadrusty » Tue Jun 24, 2008 2:57 pm

I look at it this way. There are 300,000,000 or so people in this country. Maybe 180M who are old enough to be working age.
I use qualified below to mean aptitude/skills (if provided the training) And dont bitch about my examples, yes some people in those positions make more/less


80% are qualified enough to push a mop or work fast foot. $15k a year
70% are qualified to work retail. $22k a year
50% are qualified to work basic mechanical/factory job, $30K a year
30% are qualified to work in an office $40K a year
20% are qualified to work in education, sales or nursing $50k a year
10% are qualified to work as middle management $70K a year
5% are qualified to be upper level executives $100K a year
2% are qualified to be doctors/lawyers $130k a year
.5% are qualified to be CEOs $250k a year
.005% are qualified to be profession athletes $400k a year


In that last group,
.001 are major league players (no MiLB, AFL or CBA) $200k
.0005 are "above average" players $1M
.00005 "all star" players $5M
.000005 are the elite athletes $10M

So out of 180,000,000 there are maybe what, 90-180 guys who are "elite" athletes who can do what they do. Seems like economies of scale and supply and demand work out pretty well for those guys.

Same goes for singers, writers, actors..... ect.
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Re: Do players deserve their Salaries?

Postby TitusIII » Tue Jun 24, 2008 7:27 pm

If you're only going to use economics to determine their worth, then yeah, they "deserve" every penny they can get.
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Re: Do players deserve their Salaries?

Postby great gretzky » Tue Jun 24, 2008 8:53 pm

Deserve is such a strong word. I am not going to get into the other points made, but no one deserves anything, and everyone deserves everything. The value judgment on what a player does for a living to get his salary is no different than asking: "Is a faberge egg worth the cost?" "Is an Andy Warhol worth it?" etc. What does that even mean? This question makes no sense to me, because in a capitalist society (and really is there any other kind? Anyone ever hear of a socialist black market?" the worth of anything is determined by what someone is willing to pay. For a long time I worked for a wine publication, and family/friends would always ask me, or try and convince me that certain things aren't worth the price, its snobbery etc. And the real answer is that it is and it isn't, and its a frame of reference.

SHOULD cops, soldiers, teachers etc. be the ones who are revered? Of course, but there are also way more people with the ability to do those things than play professional sports.

Out of a world population exceeding 6,000,000,000 individuals, for all intents and purposes, only 750 of those people have what it takes to be in MLB at any given time. Now I realize there are females, and the true proportion is like 3 billion to 750, but still. I mean, think about that. Or think about hoops for a second. 360 people ON THE PLANET can make an NBA team. That's it. Essentially, It's about the same or even easier to become the CEO of a fortune 500 company than it is to become a pro ball player. Only 535 people can be a Congressman at any given time. If you are comparing for ability and distribution acrossthe population, the simple scarcity and competition of getting to that level mean they are "worth it" in many senses of the world, even if its viewed through the pointless luxury prism, let alone the money-makers those players really are.

When one factors the opportunity cost of becoming a proathlete (less education, less prime earning years, diminished ability to pursue other careers) combined with the scarcity of the ability, I have to say, I don't get what people mean "deserve."

I know people who make 40k per year who as a proportion of income to effort/ability are much less deserving of their income than most ballplayers.
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Re: Do players deserve their Salaries?

Postby KCollins1304 » Tue Jun 24, 2008 11:32 pm

Kingctb27 wrote:Wish there were not guaranteed contracts, but as someone already said it's all about supply and demand. Basically there are only 30 3B that warrant a starting position in the world, and they should be paid accordingly.


If there weren't guaranteed contracts you would have people holding out like in football and people getting cut and stuff. I like guaranteed contracts a lot more.
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Re: Do players deserve their Salaries?

Postby HOOTIE » Wed Jun 25, 2008 1:20 am

If you ever saw Carlos Silva pitch, 3-9, 5.92 era, (12 mil), or Richie Sexson hit, .210 ba, (15+mil), you would have to say no.
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Re: Do players deserve their Salaries?

Postby jcook3127 » Wed Jun 25, 2008 1:31 am

I think its crazy that Manny makes like 10 grand for every pitch he sees....but I mean...that's just the way it is...these guys aren't overpayed because the culture of today's society dictates such a large paycheck...

I don't think they all DESERVE their salaries (nobody can look me in the eye and tell me Barry Zito deserves to be making over 100 million dollars, etc. etc)...but at the same time I wouldn't call them overpayed in general simply because with all the revenue they generate, it makes them worth it to their respective owners..
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