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Re: Ian Snell: a real breakdown or time to buy low?

Postby AussieDodger » Sat Jun 21, 2008 12:08 am

StlSluggers wrote:
AussieDodger wrote:It's supposedly a mental problem, not physical.

He has a history of showing mental weakness. As much as I hate to say it, that's actually scarier than a physical problem.

Remind me why I traded for him this pre-season??? :-? :-? :-?


I have actually seen the opposite. I've only seen angry and determined out of him.
Have you got any links about mental weakness?
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Re: Ian Snell: a real breakdown or time to buy low?

Postby StlSluggers » Mon Jun 23, 2008 9:35 am

I'd have to go back and find game recaps, but I remember last year when the wheels came off that he made some comments himself, and there some comments from his manager about his head. No one's written an article about it per se, but I can connect the dots from my own history.
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Re: Ian Snell: a real breakdown or time to buy low?

Postby mak1277 » Mon Jun 23, 2008 9:38 am

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Re: Ian Snell: a real breakdown or time to buy low?

Postby AussieDodger » Mon Jun 23, 2008 9:57 am

mak1277 wrote:Well, he's physically hurt now.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08175/891907-63.stm


Thanks mak, there's a good example of angry and determined....................

One thing Snell has not lost, though, is his edginess, as was evident again yesterday ...

On his season: "There are probably 100 pitchers in the big leagues not doing well that people expected to do well. It [stinks], but it's fact. You're going to have bad years before you have great ones. Right now, I'm having a bad one. Big deal."

On having a down year right after signing that five-year, $24.6 million extension this spring: "It has nothing to do with the contract."

On why he tried to pitch through pain: "It doesn't matter if you're sore or not. I wanted to show my team that I wanted to be out there. Obviously, I didn't have it, and I was still trying to be out there."

Upon saying the latter, he raised his voice slightly.

"I never give up. I don't care if people boo me, tell me I [stink], whatever. You're not going to take my manhood from me or my competitiveness from me. Nobody will ever do that! Ever! Until the day I die? Then you take it from me."


The second bolded part made me laugh :-D
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Re: Ian Snell: a real breakdown or time to buy low?

Postby AussieDodger » Wed Jul 09, 2008 2:32 pm

Oh dear, now he's throwing a tanty about being pulled...............

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/pirates/s_576699.html?source=rss&feed=3

Snell put on an animated display in the dugout that included throwing his glove, kicking repeatedly at the floor, grabbing a bat and disappearing into the tunnel. He also seemed to be getting an impassioned earful from teammate Doug Mientkiewicz.


I'd love to find out what the ____ is going on inside his head.
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Re: Ian Snell: a real breakdown or time to buy low?

Postby Yoda » Wed Jul 09, 2008 2:38 pm

Looks like Snell won't be donning a Pirates uniform too much longer. What is with the Pirates and their young pitchers anyway? Seems like every pitcher just loses it.
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Re: Ian Snell: a real breakdown or time to buy low?

Postby AussieDodger » Wed Jul 09, 2008 2:43 pm

Yoda wrote:Looks like Snell won't be donning a Pirates uniform too much longer. What is with the Pirates and their young pitchers anyway? Seems like every pitcher just loses it.


Yeah I think they're lucky they signed him for only this much

Ian Snell rhp
3 years/$8.6M (2008-10), plus 2011, 2012 club options

* signed extension 3/16/08
* $0.6M signing bonus
* 08:$0.75M, 09:$3M, 10:$4.25M, 11:$6.75M club option, 12:$9.25M club option
* deal includes performance bonuses


That could have been much more expensive.

I'm finding it fascinating that someone so primed for a big/breakout year has bombed so spectacularly for what's looking like mental reasons.
Well done Sluggers. ;-D
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Re: Ian Snell: a real breakdown or time to buy low?

Postby StlSluggers » Wed Jul 09, 2008 3:33 pm

AussieDodger wrote:I'm finding it fascinating that someone so primed for a big/breakout year has bombed so spectacularly for what's looking like mental reasons.
Well done Sluggers. ;-D

Good thing I didn't trade for him in the pre-season. Wait... :~(

In my defense, Dunn in a bad contract for Burrell and Snell in good contracts is a deal I'd do every time on 3/1.
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Re: Ian Snell: a real breakdown or time to buy low?

Postby mak1277 » Wed Jul 09, 2008 6:45 pm

AussieDodger wrote:Oh dear, now he's throwing a tanty about being pulled...............

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/pirates/s_576699.html?source=rss&feed=3

Snell put on an animated display in the dugout that included throwing his glove, kicking repeatedly at the floor, grabbing a bat and disappearing into the tunnel. He also seemed to be getting an impassioned earful from teammate Doug Mientkiewicz.


I'd love to find out what the ____ is going on inside his head.


All accounts are that he pitched OK last night though. He was hitting 94/95 for the first time all year, he just ran up against his pitch count. He didn't even go on a rehab assignment, so he was on a low count. I for one am actually encouraged by his performance last night.
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Re: Ian Snell: a real breakdown or time to buy low?

Postby bigh0rt » Wed Jul 09, 2008 8:51 pm

StlSluggers wrote:
AussieDodger wrote:I'm finding it fascinating that someone so primed for a big/breakout year has bombed so spectacularly for what's looking like mental reasons.
Well done Sluggers. ;-D

Good thing I didn't trade for him in the pre-season. Wait... :~(

In my defense, Dunn in a bad contract for Burrell and Snell in good contracts is a deal I'd do every time on 3/1.

Dunn is earning every cent of that contract, sucka.
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