Does anyone even care (politics) - Fantasy Baseball Cafe 2014 Fantasy Baseball Cafe
100% Deposit Bonus for Cafe Members!

Return to General Talk

Does anyone even care (politics)

Moderator: Baseball Moderators

Re: Does anyone even care (politics)

Postby knapplc » Thu Jun 12, 2008 8:44 am

Snakes Gould wrote:
Art Vandelay wrote:Kucininch is way out there on this one. For one, why the hell would you even try to do this with only a few months remaining for this administration


essentially to tarnish the reputation of W i would think.

I LOLed. :-D

In my life there has not been a worse president. I have a hard time thinking of a worse example of this office, actually. He can't get lower than #43 on the list.
Keep wreves in General Talk in 2011!
knapplc
Hall of Fame Hero
Hall of Fame Hero

User avatar
CafeholicGolden Eagle Eye
Posts: 7870
Joined: 27 Dec 2004
Home Cafe: Football
Location: It's "ell see." ELL SEE!!!

Re: Does anyone even care (politics)

Postby nebgib5 » Thu Jun 12, 2008 8:46 pm

Snakes Gould wrote:
nebgib5 wrote:Right, since Bush has such a great legacy to tarnish.


thats not what im saying, but being impeached and everyone thinking you're just bad is a big difference going down in history.

Not necessarily. I think most would agree that there have been worse presidents than the two who have been impeached (Andrew Johnson and Clinton): James Buchanan, Warren G. Harding, etc. The fact that congressional politics prevent impeachment doesn't necessarily give presidents a free pass; public opinion can be pretty damning, and Bush is pretty screwed in that department. Of course it's possible that his legacy takes a turn for the better as history progresses (a la Harry Truman, whose approval rating upon exiting office was somewhere around 20%), but I would say it's quite unlikely in Bush's case.
Image
nebgib5
College Coach
College Coach

User avatar

Posts: 243
Joined: 16 Oct 2005
Home Cafe: Basketball
Location: Caaaaaaambridge

Re: Does anyone even care (politics)

Postby Snakes Gould » Thu Jun 12, 2008 10:55 pm

knapplc wrote:
Snakes Gould wrote:
Art Vandelay wrote:Kucininch is way out there on this one. For one, why the hell would you even try to do this with only a few months remaining for this administration


essentially to tarnish the reputation of W i would think.

I LOLed. :-D

In my life there has not been a worse president. I have a hard time thinking of a worse example of this office, actually. He can't get lower than #43 on the list.


im not saying i agree nor disagree (though i would probably agree), but thats the only semi-logical reason in my eyes.
Image

SIGS!

Shane Victorino wrote:“We keep fighting,” Victorino said. “We keep plugging along.”
Snakes Gould
Hall of Fame Hero
Hall of Fame Hero

User avatar
EditorCafeholicCafe WriterCafe RankerGraphics ExpertMock(ing) DrafterGolden Eagle EyeWeb SupporterPick 3 Weekly WinnerMatchup Meltdown SurvivorLucky Ladders Weekly Winner
Posts: 16051
(Past Year: 65)
Joined: 1 Nov 2005
Home Cafe: Baseball
Location: Eternal Bliss

Re: Does anyone even care (politics)

Postby ROC AllStars » Sat Jun 14, 2008 2:51 pm

nebgib5 wrote:Not necessarily. I think most would agree that there have been worse presidents than the two who have been impeached (Andrew Johnson and Clinton): James Buchanan, Warren G. Harding, etc. The fact that congressional politics prevent impeachment doesn't necessarily give presidents a free pass; public opinion can be pretty damning, and Bush is pretty screwed in that department. Of course it's possible that his legacy takes a turn for the better as history progresses (a la Harry Truman, whose approval rating upon exiting office was somewhere around 20%), but I would say it's quite unlikely in Bush's case.


I agree. As time passes, the more that becomes known about what has happened in Washington over the past 7+ years, the worse Bush and his cohorts will look.
"This guy leads the league in most offensive categories, including nose hair..."
ROC AllStars
Major League Manager
Major League Manager

User avatar
Fantasy Expert
Posts: 2068
(Past Year: 37)
Joined: 11 Feb 2007
Home Cafe: Baseball

Re: Does anyone even care (politics)

Postby sportsaddict » Sat Jun 14, 2008 10:22 pm

Harding is consistently rated as the worst president ever. He was basically a complete idiot and the government was extremely corrupt while he was in office.

Of course, I'd make an argument for Buchanan as the worst, as he pretty much let the Civil War start and did nothing about it.

Bush, after it's all over, will be down there at the bottom of the list, that's for sure. We'll see if he ends up dead last after a few decades pass.
"Oh, that Lankford and McGee, the trio of 'em. They're a one-man wrecking crew."

-Mike Shannon
sportsaddict
Major League Manager
Major League Manager

User avatar

Posts: 1961
Joined: 2 Aug 2006
Home Cafe: Baseball
Location: The good old Midwest

Re: Does anyone even care (politics)

Postby Omaha Red Sox » Sat Jun 14, 2008 11:54 pm

ROC AllStars wrote:
nebgib5 wrote:Not necessarily. I think most would agree that there have been worse presidents than the two who have been impeached (Andrew Johnson and Clinton): James Buchanan, Warren G. Harding, etc. The fact that congressional politics prevent impeachment doesn't necessarily give presidents a free pass; public opinion can be pretty damning, and Bush is pretty screwed in that department. Of course it's possible that his legacy takes a turn for the better as history progresses (a la Harry Truman, whose approval rating upon exiting office was somewhere around 20%), but I would say it's quite unlikely in Bush's case.


I agree. As time passes, the more that becomes known about what has happened in Washington over the past 7+ years, the worse Bush and his cohorts will look.


I don't know, when we look back and consider the state of things out of his control, I think history will have more pity on him than disdain. I'm not a fan, I'll make that clear, but I certainly do not believe he's as bad as he's perceived. One thing, that many of us news-watchers fail to realize, is that the US has yet to be attacked since 9-11. Most other countries have. Credit Bush? I don't know. But as time passes, especially if Obama gets in ( :-° ) I think we'll look back and realize he wasn't very good, but he wasn't the worse we could have had either.
Omaha Red Sox
Hall of Fame Hero
Hall of Fame Hero

User avatar
CafeholicCafe WriterCafe RankerMock(ing) DrafterEagle Eye
Posts: 11420
(Past Year: 10)
Joined: 29 Jun 2005
Home Cafe: Football
Location: Probably over there

Re: Does anyone even care (politics)

Postby nebgib5 » Sun Jun 15, 2008 12:27 pm

Omaha Red Sox wrote:
ROC AllStars wrote:
nebgib5 wrote:Not necessarily. I think most would agree that there have been worse presidents than the two who have been impeached (Andrew Johnson and Clinton): James Buchanan, Warren G. Harding, etc. The fact that congressional politics prevent impeachment doesn't necessarily give presidents a free pass; public opinion can be pretty damning, and Bush is pretty screwed in that department. Of course it's possible that his legacy takes a turn for the better as history progresses (a la Harry Truman, whose approval rating upon exiting office was somewhere around 20%), but I would say it's quite unlikely in Bush's case.


I agree. As time passes, the more that becomes known about what has happened in Washington over the past 7+ years, the worse Bush and his cohorts will look.


I don't know, when we look back and consider the state of things out of his control, I think history will have more pity on him than disdain. I'm not a fan, I'll make that clear, but I certainly do not believe he's as bad as he's perceived. One thing, that many of us news-watchers fail to realize, is that the US has yet to be attacked since 9-11. Most other countries have. Credit Bush? I don't know. But as time passes, especially if Obama gets in ( :-° ) I think we'll look back and realize he wasn't very good, but he wasn't the worse we could have had either.

1.3X as many U.S. troops have died in the Iraq War as died on September 11th, and that's all on Bush. By some accounts about 200X as many Iraqi civilians have died as died on September 11th, but unfortunately not too many people care about that. Economically, a couple trillion dollars hasn't exactly been cheap either. It is true that there have not been any major terrorist attacks on U.S. soil since, but a large portion of the world absolutely detests the United States, in part because of Bush. He may have evaded any major disasters on his watch (well, he still has another 6 months to go), but he's leaving a very unenviable position for whomever succeeds him.
Image
nebgib5
College Coach
College Coach

User avatar

Posts: 243
Joined: 16 Oct 2005
Home Cafe: Basketball
Location: Caaaaaaambridge

Re: Does anyone even care (politics)

Postby Omaha Red Sox » Sun Jun 15, 2008 1:29 pm

nebgib5 wrote:but he's leaving a very unenviable position for whomever succeeds him.


Actually, I think whoever takes over will be looked upon quite fondly as the guy who replaced the tyrant and will get credit when the economy bounces back.
Omaha Red Sox
Hall of Fame Hero
Hall of Fame Hero

User avatar
CafeholicCafe WriterCafe RankerMock(ing) DrafterEagle Eye
Posts: 11420
(Past Year: 10)
Joined: 29 Jun 2005
Home Cafe: Football
Location: Probably over there

Re: Does anyone even care (politics)

Postby Pogotheostrich » Sun Jun 15, 2008 2:21 pm

Omaha Red Sox wrote:
nebgib5 wrote:but he's leaving a very unenviable position for whomever succeeds him.


Actually, I think whoever takes over will be looked upon quite fondly as the guy who replaced the tyrant and will get credit when the economy bounces back.

Same here. Whoever is the next president is going to be in a great spot. If things don't turn around Bush will still be blamed. If things get better they will get all the credit.
Image
Pogotheostrich
Hall of Fame Hero
Hall of Fame Hero

User avatar
CafeholicResponse TeamFantasy ExpertCafe WriterMock(ing) DrafterEagle EyePick 3 Weekly WinnerLucky Ladders Weekly Winner
Posts: 21519
(Past Year: 460)
Joined: 9 Dec 2002
Home Cafe: Baseball
Location: St. Louis

Re: Does anyone even care (politics)

Postby nebgib5 » Mon Jun 16, 2008 12:39 am

I'm talking purely from an international affairs standpoint. Certainly there are some factors (such as the economy) that will inevitably bounce back at some point and make the next president look good.
Image
nebgib5
College Coach
College Coach

User avatar

Posts: 243
Joined: 16 Oct 2005
Home Cafe: Basketball
Location: Caaaaaaambridge

PreviousNext

Return to General Talk

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 4 guests

Forums Articles & Tips Sleepers Rankings Leagues


Today's Games
Wednesday, Apr. 23
(All times are EST, weather icons show forecast for game time)

Arizona at Chi Cubs
(12:10 pm)
San Francisco at Colorado
(2:20 pm)
Texas at Oakland
(3:10 pm)
Houston at Seattle
(3:35 pm)
Kansas City at Cleveland
(3:40 pm)
LA Angels at Washington
(7:05 pm)
Toronto at Toronto
(7:05 pm)
Cincinnati at Pittsburgh
(7:05 pm)
Baltimore at Baltimore
(7:07 pm)
Chi White Sox at Detroit
(7:08 pm)
NY Yankees at Boston
(7:10 pm)
St. Louis at NY Mets
(7:10 pm)
Minnesota at Tampa Bay
(7:10 pm)
indoors
San Diego at Milwaukee
(8:10 pm)
Philadelphia at LA Dodgers
(10:10 pm)

  • Fantasy Baseball
  • Article Submissions
  • Privacy Statement
  • Site Survey 
  • Contact