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Re: Looking for an article on when vetos are apprpirate

Postby Matthias » Thu May 29, 2008 12:57 pm

StlSluggers wrote:
A wise man wrote:If it's obviously collusion, then veto the trade. Otherwise, let it slide.

After all, value is a relative term, and attempting to standardize it is an exercise in futility.

Did "A wise man" ever tell you how to determine if it's collusion?
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Re: Looking for an article on when vetos are apprpirate

Postby StlSluggers » Thu May 29, 2008 1:01 pm

Matthias wrote:
StlSluggers wrote:
A wise man wrote:If it's obviously collusion, then veto the trade. Otherwise, let it slide.

After all, value is a relative term, and attempting to standardize it is an exercise in futility.

Did "A wise man" ever tell you how to determine if it's collusion?

Yes. He said, "If it's obvious, then you don't have to 'determine' anything." Image
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Re: Looking for an article on when vetos are apprpirate

Postby Matthias » Thu May 29, 2008 1:06 pm

StlSluggers wrote:
Matthias wrote:
StlSluggers wrote:If it's obviously collusion, then veto the trade. Otherwise, let it slide.

After all, value is a relative term, and attempting to standardize it is an exercise in futility.

Did "A wise man" ever tell you how to determine if it's collusion?

Yes. He said, "If it's obvious, then you don't have to 'determine' anything." Image

So "value" is a relative term, but "obvious" is not?

He doesn't sound that wise to me.
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Re: Looking for an article on when vetos are apprpirate

Postby Matthias » Thu May 29, 2008 1:08 pm

Here's a link to the discussion in the Commissioner's Corner that Yoda referenced. It really is a good back-and-forth and gets beyond simply collusion/not collusion.
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Re: Looking for an article on when vetos are apprpirate

Postby StlSluggers » Thu May 29, 2008 1:15 pm

Matthias wrote:He doesn't sound that wise to me.

Obviously.
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Re: Looking for an article on when vetos are apprpirate

Postby Matthias » Thu May 29, 2008 1:17 pm

StlSluggers wrote:
Matthias wrote:He doesn't sound that wise to me.

Obviously.

Actually, it reminds me of a quote from one of my old law professors... "When a sentence begins with 'clearly' or 'obviously' the odds are that it's neither."

But seriously, your standard is essentially meaningless. All it does is throw the mess of the realities of every situation in determining if there's "obvious collusion" instead of "should there be a veto" ... it doesn't go at all to provide any advice that can be applied.
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Re: Looking for an article on when vetos are apprpirate

Postby hot4tx » Thu May 29, 2008 1:26 pm

Yoda wrote:but it really depends on the type of league that you are in.


I'd agree with that. In my main league I'm 99.99% sure that no managers would cheat, and I'm also pretty confident in each manager's intelligence, baseball knowledge and fantasy "skill" that I don't think any trade will be vetoed at any time in the future.

In public leagues Noobie McNooberson trades Arod, A Soriano, Carlos Lee and Hunter Pence for Josh Willingham, Joe Crede and Jeremy Accardo and I'm all over the veto whether or not I have any proof or reason to think the two are cheating. In that situation it's enough that the trade is so lopsided that it completely destroys the league balance to allow.
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Re: Looking for an article on when vetos are apprpirate

Postby Russell James » Thu May 29, 2008 2:12 pm

Matthias wrote:
StlSluggers wrote:
Matthias wrote:He doesn't sound that wise to me.

Obviously.

Actually, it reminds me of a quote from one of my old law professors... "When a sentence begins with 'clearly' or 'obviously' the odds are that it's neither."

But seriously, your standard is essentially meaningless. All it does is throw the mess of the realities of every situation in determining if there's "obvious collusion" instead of "should there be a veto" ... it doesn't go at all to provide any advice that can be applied.


I had a law professor who said the same thing, but he also threw in the word 'seriously.' :-D
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