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Rivera 2nd?

Postby kev921 » Fri Feb 27, 2004 11:07 pm

How are you going to know how Rivera will hold up this season with a revamped starting rotation? Who's to say that he'll hold up under a higher workload?

I'd list him about 4th. Too risky
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Postby jimmycolorado » Fri Feb 27, 2004 11:26 pm

Jorge Julio is not the "worst closer in baseball". We have to keep things in perspective here. Jose Mesa is the worst closer in baseball. He was signed by Pittsburgh just in case they ever got any ideas about, y'know, winning games. Mesa's good like that. When he takes the mound, all vestiges of victory slip away, quietly and slowly... like an old man easing into a warm bath... *shudder*
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Postby Guest » Sat Feb 28, 2004 2:48 am

Andy1234 wrote:Tier 1
1. Gagne

Tier 2
2. Smoltz
3. Wagner
4. Rivera
5. Foulke

Tier 3
6. Izzy
7. Percival
8. Guardado

Tier 4
9. Dotel
10. Hoffman
11. Benitez
12. Rhodes
13. Julio

Tier 5
14. Borowski
15. Looper
16. Nathan
17. Kolb
18. Mantei
19. Chacon
20. Graves


One notable off of my list is Nen, I have not ranked him yet, I want to be sure that he is going to see some action this year before I do. Another one is Urbina, but He needs to find a job first.


I like this list as well. ;-D

Especially the comments on Nen and Urbina. I'm leary of Nen regardless if he is handed the closer job for sure. Too many risks involved with his injury last year and how he has recouped since then.

And will someone offer Urbina a multi-year contract laden with incentives? :-[ He proved last year that he can be a top tier closer if given the right opportunity. Too much of a waste of talent to be stuck in the bullpen and labeled a setup man for years to come.
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Postby Mean One » Sat Feb 28, 2004 2:50 am

I forgot to login again. :-/ The last post was mine.
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Something like this

Postby zep » Sat Feb 28, 2004 5:40 am

A: Gagne, Foulke, Smoltz, Wagner, Rivera

B: Percival, Dotel, Izzy

C: Guardado, Hoffman, Benitez, Mantei, Rhodes

D: Cordero, Julio, Borowski, Nathan, Nen, Urbina
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Postby McGill » Sat Feb 28, 2004 6:26 am

Joe Mauer wrote:Tier 1: Gagne
Tier 2: Wagner, Smoltz, Faulk
Tier 3: Rivera
Tier 4: Dotel, Guardado, Izzy
Tier 2,467: Me
Tier 4,672: Cornbread Maxwell %-6
Tier 5,238: LBJackal :-/
Tier 178,983: Pogotheostrich :-t

Seriously, can an ostrich really pitch? I seriously don't think so and you all should downgrade him on your draft lists as such. :-o

;-D ;-D ;-D


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Postby Cornbread Maxwell » Sat Feb 28, 2004 10:34 am

I think that most of you are underanking Borowski, but we'll see.

As for Rodney - we have 3 guys trying to get into the Det closer role - Rodney, Anderson, and German. If Rodney cant get any movement on his fastball , he wont have the job for very long.

Oh wait - I forgot - I was supposed to say:

"The Tigers closer!?!?!? Theyre gonna lose 160 games this yr. Do you seriously want someone who will get you 2 saves all yr?"
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Postby LBJackal » Sat Feb 28, 2004 12:56 pm

From a fantasy standpoint, that last bit is more helpful than knowing who the 3 candidates for the closer job are. Being a closer for Detroit is like having tits on a bull. Useless.
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Postby TG » Sat Feb 28, 2004 12:59 pm

First of all, I dont see too many teams losing more than 100 games this year, and that includes the Tigers. Which means 60 wins for just about every team. Somebody has to save those games.

If Matt Anderson can regain his form, he will be the closer in Detroit, but that's a BIG if.

BTW, I would take Wagner over Gagne because I think the Phillies will win more games than the Dodgers.

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Postby LBJackal » Sat Feb 28, 2004 1:11 pm

Detroit had 46 save opps last season. 20% of those usually do not go to the closer (In general, not just for Detroit). So 80% of 46 is ~37 save opps for Detroit closers. That's assuming one guy has the role for the whole season. If he's flawless, and doesn't blow a single save, he'd get 37 saves. I don't see any Detroit closer topping 20 saves. Last year the entire team combined for 27 saves. :-o
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