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Postby Leber » Thu Feb 26, 2004 10:40 pm

Who do you think will be a sleeper closer? Do you think nathan can hold onto his job? How many saves will cordero get in texas?
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Postby baseball genius » Thu Feb 26, 2004 10:45 pm

I like Nathan but I wouldn't consider him a sleeper unless you're in a league with a lot of stupid managers. As a deeper sleeper I like Chacon.
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Postby phatjagz14 » Thu Feb 26, 2004 10:59 pm

The only true "sleeper" closers I would name are players who don't close yet, such as a backup to Nathan or Rhodes, Ryan Wagner, etc.
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Postby Leber » Thu Feb 26, 2004 11:05 pm

i meant by saying sleeper like a closer i can get for cheap that will get me some saves...my two closers right now are izzy and julio... :-t
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Postby NZF » Thu Feb 26, 2004 11:17 pm

LeBeR wrote:i meant by saying sleeper like a closer i can get for cheap that will get me some saves...my two closers right now are izzy and julio... :-t


Julio is a great value pick up. He will get you 40 saves this year.
Izzy is a very good closer and the Cards offense should give him many opps. if the SP are half decent.

There are always closers available in the late rounds who will get you saves. You just have to be careful about WHIP and ERA damage ie. Jose Mesa
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Postby phatjagz14 » Thu Feb 26, 2004 11:44 pm

LeBeR wrote:Julio is a great value pick up. He will get you 40 saves this year.


Julio get 40 saves?!? I find that pretty laughable. He was 0-7 last year with 14 blown saves in the past 2 years (8 one, 6 the other). The improved offense could also mean less chances. I would avoid.
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Postby WharfRat » Thu Feb 26, 2004 11:49 pm

As far as backups its anybody's guess, but it seems like Kolb gets slept on a lot, because he pitches for Milwaukee. Check him out though. I had Acevedo when he was Detroit's closer, got me like 27 saves with good ERA and WHIP in under a full season.
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Postby NZF » Thu Feb 26, 2004 11:51 pm

phatjagz14 wrote:
LeBeR wrote:Julio is a great value pick up. He will get you 40 saves this year.


Julio get 40 saves?!? I find that pretty laughable. He was 0-7 last year with 14 blown saves in the past 2 years (8 one, 6 the other). The improved offense could also mean less chances. I would avoid.


Actually I said that. Look for him to bounce back to what he produced in 2002. I see the improved offense giving him more chances.
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Postby CBMGreatOne » Fri Feb 27, 2004 12:03 am

The theory that improved offense somehow equates to fewer save chances is a myth. I see almost NO merit to it at all.

You are better off getting save chances when your team is winning, and you have a better chance to win when your team is scoring runs. How many teams do you think consistently score more than three runs more than their opponents? Some do it often sure, but it's never an average margin of victory.

Look at Smoltz with Atlanta, before he got hurt, he was on pace for the record for saves in a single season. Last time I checked the Atlanta lineup was pretty sick last year.

If you have some designs on using the improved offense theory as a reason not to draft a particular closer, just get it out of your head right now. It holds no water, PERIOD.
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Postby RynMan » Fri Feb 27, 2004 12:35 am

i think 40 saves is a good possibility for julio. look at the team they had last year and how many saves he had. now he has a better hitting lineup to keep games tighter, give him more opportunities. the reason i avoid julio is cuz he kills ur era and whip. I think nathan will put up similar save numbers, but without the death whip or era.

kolb would be soo much better on another team, such a shame. but i think chacon as a sleeper.
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