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Re: Is Cliff Lee for real?

Postby Spartans Rule » Mon May 12, 2008 11:51 pm

Of course Lee can't keep THIS up. Nobody keeps their ERA under 1 without some luck and Lee's had plenty of it.

But his K/BB is 44/4. He's allowed one home run and five extra base hits total. His DIPS ERA is 1.87. He could stop getting lucky and still be the best pitcher in baseball. He could cool off considerably, have bad luck, and still be a very valuable fantasy commodity.

Those who keep doubting are going to end up sounding like Randy Quaid as the obnoxious fan in Major League II. "Yeah, he won the Cy Young, big deal. He'll blow it in the playoffs!"
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Re: Is Cliff Lee for real?

Postby mweir145 » Tue May 13, 2008 1:12 am

Oatsdad wrote:At some point, don't all the "Cliff Lee really isn't any good" doubters have to admit maybe - just maybe - they're wrong? How many spectacular outing does he need to throw out before he gets some respect?

Yeah, maybe he'll collapse sooner than later - and maybe he won't. I smell some sour grapes in some of these posts... :-t

For not picking up Cliff Lee? I had him on my team a few years ago. He was incredibly mediocre then, and he had a terrible '07 season. I'm really not all that broken up about this fluke.
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Re: Is Cliff Lee for real?

Postby BJSFAN123 » Tue May 13, 2008 1:13 am

Tonight's outing doesn't count, Zito could go 9 scoreless innings against Toronto. :~(
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Re: Is Cliff Lee for real?

Postby Bwanna » Tue May 13, 2008 7:32 am

BJSFAN123 wrote:Tonight's outing doesn't count, Zito could go 9 scoreless innings against Toronto. :~(

OK... you're joking now... Zito couldn't go 9 against a little league team right now. :-t
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Re: Is Cliff Lee for real?

Postby Neato Torpedo » Tue May 13, 2008 8:19 am

I love the call on the triple play. "The Blue Jays, desperate for some offense, just ran themselves into oblivion!" :-D :-D :-D
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Re: Is Cliff Lee for real?

Postby jondunc » Tue May 13, 2008 8:23 am

mweir145 wrote:
Oatsdad wrote:At some point, don't all the "Cliff Lee really isn't any good" doubters have to admit maybe - just maybe - they're wrong? How many spectacular outing does he need to throw out before he gets some respect?

Yeah, maybe he'll collapse sooner than later - and maybe he won't. I smell some sour grapes in some of these posts... :-t

For not picking up Cliff Lee? I had him on my team a few years ago. He was incredibly mediocre then, and he had a terrible '07 season. I'm really not all that broken up about this fluke.

I'm on record as saying that Lee can't keep this up (of course he can't), but I agree with others that Lee is really not getting the credit he deserves here. K/BB, K/9, OPS against, etc, etc are not luck-based stats (for the most part) and, as mentioned, he's sparkling in these areas. His BABIP also is surprisingly high. As I said before, with each dominating start it's less and less likely that this is a total fluke IMO.
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Re: Is Cliff Lee for real?

Postby The River » Tue May 13, 2008 4:01 pm

His ERA and WHIP are just devistatingly good. Jesus.
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Re: Is Cliff Lee for real?

Postby ScrappyDoo » Tue May 13, 2008 4:47 pm

How many more starts is it going to take until people stop saying he is a sell high and just accept the fact that he is the best pitcher in the history of the MLB.
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Re: Is Cliff Lee for real?

Postby Yoda » Tue May 13, 2008 4:59 pm

Who would win if Cy Lee is facing MVP McLouth?
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Re: Is Cliff Lee for real?

Postby NZ Eff » Tue May 13, 2008 5:11 pm

Yoda wrote:Who would win if Cy Lee is facing MVP McLouth?



Well since McLouth has 2 hits in his last 20 AB's I'm picking Lee by a margin.
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