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Re: Hafner

Postby markj11 » Thu May 08, 2008 12:07 pm

Benched now 2 days in a row, against the Yankees.
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Re: Hafner

Postby chipper » Thu May 08, 2008 12:10 pm

markj11 wrote:Benched now 2 days in a row, against the Yankees.

Against righties none the less.


Maybe they're juicing him up. :-D
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Re: Hafner

Postby Schwetty Balls » Thu May 08, 2008 12:26 pm

It appears that even the Indians are losing faith in him. I guess I should too.

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Re: Hafner

Postby hot4tx » Thu May 08, 2008 12:35 pm

so many players mature and decline at different times. bottom line: it is impossible to say with any certainty when a player will peak or decline. if we could do that, i'd follow the path that Pete Rose tread


That is true, within reason. Your body doesn't naturally decline substantially enough for that kind of drop off at age 29. If a 19-year old kid is having a bad year we can't speculate that maybe his body just declined earlier than most. Something else happened. Yes he's a big guy, but at 29 NFL running backs aren't declining yet and they take arguably the biggest full-body beatings in pro sports.

Yes there are guys that just "lose it" so it's not a given that he juiced by any means, but age isn't a part of this discussion unless there's some rare medical issue or he introduced something foreign into his body. He went from stud to crap instantly and aging just doesn't happen like that at age 29. Ever. Even before medicine was as good as it is now.
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Re: Hafner

Postby slomo007 » Thu May 08, 2008 12:44 pm

slomo007 wrote:At what point does Cleveland start looking elsewhere and giving up on Hafner? What's his salary like, I know that would be a big factor?

To take up such a valuable DH spot with someone who really isn't good anymore seems like the Seattle way of doing things. :-P


Apparently that point is now.

I would feel confident dropping Hafner in standard 12 team 5x5 mixed leagues.
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Re: Hafner

Postby WyldStallyn » Thu May 08, 2008 12:52 pm

isnt he signed till 2012 for around 12 mill/yr? if he doesnt improve the indians will really need to clear out his salary
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Re: Hafner

Postby chipper » Thu May 08, 2008 12:55 pm

slomo007 wrote:Apparently that point is now.

I would feel confident dropping Hafner in standard 12x12 mixed leagues.

I hate the guy and I don't think I'd go that far....
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Re: Hafner

Postby slomo007 » Thu May 08, 2008 1:13 pm

chipper wrote:
slomo007 wrote:Apparently that point is now.

I would feel confident dropping Hafner in standard 12x12 mixed leagues.

I hate the guy and I don't think I'd go that far....

Sorry, meant standard 12 team 5x5 mixed leagues. I corrected my post.

What exactly are you holding on hope for? At best he is a low average, no speed, 25 HR hitter which are freely available on many WWs (I just picked up Nick Johnson today, not for Hafner though - I don't own him). At worst he is not even going to get playing time, or very minimum playing time anyway.
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Re: Hafner

Postby markj11 » Thu May 08, 2008 1:42 pm

slomo007 wrote:
chipper wrote:
slomo007 wrote:Apparently that point is now.

I would feel confident dropping Hafner in standard 12x12 mixed leagues.

I hate the guy and I don't think I'd go that far....

Sorry, meant standard 12 team 5x5 mixed leagues. I corrected my post.

What exactly are you holding on hope for? At best he is a low average, no speed, 25 HR hitter which are freely available on many WWs (I just picked up Nick Johnson today, not for Hafner though - I don't own him). At worst he is not even going to get playing time, or very minimum playing time anyway.


I don't think I can drop him yet but he has been on bench for a while. He went from batting 3rd to 6th to 0. I am in 1B hell. I Pronk and Konerko, 6 people on my team are currently hitting 50+ points below their career avg.
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Re: Hafner

Postby OneLoveBoomer » Thu May 08, 2008 5:38 pm

I just traded *for* Hafner. Traded Kotchman for Hafner straight up in a 14 team mixed redraft league.

Purely a speculative pick, but I don't mind a good ol' fashioned sell high buy low. I picked Kotchman off the Waiver Wire at the beginning of the season so ;-D .
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