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Re: Should people get insulted at being Lowballed?

Postby kaiser » Wed Apr 30, 2008 11:48 am

The responses I see here are right in line with what I think. If someone consistantly offers crap, than that person either doesn't understand the game (and therefore should be taken advantage of if possible) or that person just has no respect for your baseball acumen, in which place they should be ignored.

First offers are jumping off points. The intent is to start a conversation. Shutting someone out because you don't think they offered you enough in a particular deal just seems dumb to me, and more importantly, it will hurt your chances of eventual victory.
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Re: Should people get insulted at being Lowballed?

Postby kaiser » Wed Apr 30, 2008 11:58 am

Russell James wrote:You actually sound like that type of person. I am not against making a great trade, but when you are constantly trying to screw others over, that is what lowballing is, then be prepared to deal with the backlash from it. I can't actually blame your league members for harassing you on it. Hopefully the idiots that actually made that dumb trade with you will see that and not make a future mistake.


Not sure how, exactly, you would possibly know whether I am "constantly trying to screw others over" or not? But I appreciate you basing your random, unwarranted insulting comment on that assumption.
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Re: Should people get insulted at being Lowballed?

Postby Russell James » Wed Apr 30, 2008 12:18 pm

I really wasn't meaning it to be an actual insult. I should have worded it better. I am just saying that if you lowball everyone and do it consistently, fine, but be prepared to be deal with the backlash from other league members.
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Re: Should people get insulted at being Lowballed?

Postby kaiser » Wed Apr 30, 2008 12:36 pm

Okay- sorry if I responded a little more strongly than I should have.

I agree completely with you. Rest assured that I pride myself on not being one of those guys.
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Re: Should people get insulted at being Lowballed?

Postby Fpower » Wed Apr 30, 2008 12:51 pm

I think it depends partly on what kind of mood I'm in.

If I'm in a good mood, I'll take it as him not actually expecting to make a trade, but more as him showing me which players he's interested in moving/aquiring.

If I'm in a bad mood, I might take it as an insult to my intelligence. At which point I'll usually make a counter offer of one of my waiver wire scrubs for his #1 draft pick.
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Re: Should people get insulted at being Lowballed?

Postby kaiser » Wed Apr 30, 2008 1:05 pm

Fpower wrote:I think it depends partly on what kind of mood I'm in.

If I'm in a good mood, I'll take it as him not actually expecting to make a trade, but more as him showing me which players he's interested in moving/aquiring.

If I'm in a bad mood, I might take it as an insult to my intelligence. At which point I'll usually make a counter offer of one of my waiver wire scrubs for his #1 draft pick.


HA! Great response... and you're right. State of mind at the time the deal is offered does play a role, doesn't it?
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Re: Should people get insulted at being Lowballed?

Postby The Artful Dodger » Wed Apr 30, 2008 2:47 pm

Short answer: to each his own. Personally, I don't get insulted by any offer, but as Aussie Dodger said, there's low and there's rubbish. Last night, I got an offer that would send my Ryan Braun for Kevin Youkilis/Michael Bourn. I wasn't upset, but I was just a little annoyed to say something to the effect of "are you bloody kidding me?" as I rejected it.

Two things that would annoy me about a rubbish offer. One, when an offer just isn't a good stab and is so unreasonable it wouldn't be accepted in public leagues. If this guy would offer me arbitrarily a Conor Jackson/Ryan Zimmerman combo, I'd say at least the guy is trying to post a decent enough first strike offer to possibly get the ball rolling. Again, the return can be subjective, but if it doesn't offer a player with some kind of long-term upside to suggest he can up or hold his value, forget it. Two, if I happened to have a reputation for making a few early season deals that seemed reasonable for both sides, then it would suggest I'm not the least bit gullible for a ripoff offer. This was such a case here. Sometimes, you can get an impression of a leaguemate by what kind of transactions they make and so, your offer better be up to scratch with a manager that has some semblance of showing they know what they're doing.
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Re: Should people get insulted at being Lowballed?

Postby BronXBombers51 » Wed Apr 30, 2008 3:27 pm

I don't get insulted. If it's that bad, then I counter with something just as bad, and they seem to take the hint.
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Re: Should people get insulted at being Lowballed?

Postby J35J » Wed Apr 30, 2008 3:36 pm

I wish I just got offers! !+)
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Re: Should people get insulted at being Lowballed?

Postby Grounded Polo » Wed Apr 30, 2008 3:48 pm

I hate people who make an offer that is obviously lowballed and then say, "I want the guys that I asked for, can you make a fair counter?" If you want my players, don't make me do the legwork of coming up with a fair offer, make one the first time.
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