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by **deerayfan072** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 11:53 am

byfrcp wrote:
Yoda wrote:today is a prime example as to why you can't put too much stock in pitching performances in April.

Yet Liriano will "clearly never be the pitcher he once was"?

I am assuming Yoda said this somewhere else? :-?

I would agree with him and I said that before the year. That is a different situation because you are looking at a velocity situation and coming off of injury, not a couple so-so starts because your defense was not playing well. Liriano's velocity is off and he has not thrown his slider anywhere near what he used too.

by **Yoda** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 11:54 am

byfrcp wrote:
Yoda wrote:today is a prime example as to why you can't put too much stock in pitching performances in April.

Yet Liriano will "clearly never be the pitcher he once was"?

1. Liriano is coming off major surgery
2. Liriano is changing his mechanics due to a major injury which resulted in said major surgery. Basically, he has to relearn how to pitch.
3. Liriano is changing his pitch selection, not utilizing what was perhaps one of the best pitches in baseball
4. Liriano's velocity is much lower than pre-surgery

These are the differences that I can think of off the top of my head between Liriano and the rest of the other established pitchers like Shields or CC or whoever.

I don't understand how so many people actually believed that Liriano would come back even remotely close to what he was especially for 08. If you did then I might have a bridge that I can sell you.

by **BigMusky** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 12:21 pm

You really think Ortiz would have changed anything. Shields was dealing yesterday, no one could have hit off of him. He may not have another CGSO against the Sox, but he is still going to be very solid.

What? The best hitter in baseball is irrelevant? His own production aside, it changes the way you pitch the entire top part of lineup.

by **deerayfan072** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 12:36 pm

BigMusky wrote:
You really think Ortiz would have changed anything. Shields was dealing yesterday, no one could have hit off of him. He may not have another CGSO against the Sox, but he is still going to be very solid.

What? The best hitter in baseball is irrelevant? His own production aside, it changes the way you pitch the entire top part of lineup.

He would not have made a difference in that game. Manny has been hitting everything this season and he couldn't get a hit off Shields. He dealt yesterday plain and simple

by **BigMusky** » Mon May 05, 2008 9:28 am

so what happened this time around? }:-)

by **Yoda** » Mon May 05, 2008 9:37 am

BigMusky wrote:so what happened this time around?

Hitters tend to do much better when seeing a pitcher back to back games.

by **Field** » Mon May 05, 2008 9:59 am

Yoda wrote:
BigMusky wrote:so what happened this time around?

Hitters tend to do much better when seeing a pitcher back to back games.

Exactly. I almost benched him for this reason, but couldn't quite do it. Plus, the Sox offense was bound to wake up, it's just unfortunate that Shields had to be on the mound.

by **deerayfan072** » Mon May 05, 2008 10:01 am

BigMusky wrote:so what happened this time around?

are you serious? He had a bad game. Did you see how bad Beckett pitched in that same game? Beckett's numbers don't indicate just how bad he pitched. He got lucky that the Rays didn't put up more runs. Shields didn't have his best stuff and that was the second time in 5 days they saw him. None of the Rays pitchers fared very well in that series