The Cow wrote:If they move Joba to the rotation now and try to limit his innings by skipping starts, pitch counts or shutting him down early, the Yanks risk either pushing Joba well past his IP limit, which is a bad move long term. The pressure will be high for the Yanks to press Joba past whatever IP limit they have on him should the Yanks make the playoffs or even if they are in a pennant race. I don't see the Yanks shutting Joba down when they are battling for a playoff spot in Aug-Sept. As the playoff pressure continues to mount so will the desire to push Joba past his limits. The best way to limit Joba is to limit him NOW when the pressure is lower. Just wait until June for Joba and enjoy the quality set up work in the mean time.
The Cow
My counter argument would be that teams do this all the time and pretty successfully (shutting down early, skipping starts, etc).
I think it's better to find out now if he can be a starter and let him take his lumps early in the season. This way, they won't jerk him back and forth if he doesn't work out as a starter mid-season while losing ground in the standings. If they convert him later then they will almost have no choice but to commit to him as a starter for the rest of the season. If they wait too long then they also run the risk of missing out on CC or anyone who might be available by the trade deadline (if they are still contending).
I think both sides of the argument makes sense but in the end, he really needs to be in the rotation this year.
A contending team cannot shut down a top SP early if they are trying to contend. They could limit Joba via pitch count and skipping starts, but come Aug-Sept the Yanks will do everything in their power to win and skipping Joba or shutting him down would not be an option. As a Joba owner I would love it if he were starting, but its in his best interests to spend April and May in the pen. Its only another 4 weeks or so until Joba time, so relax. The Yanks come July will have seen Joba in the rotation for a month so they will have a good idea what they have in Joba as a starter. That will not limit them in trying to deal for a C.C., who could very well be available because the Tribe offense is offensive.
The Cow
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OK whatever that means. I'd rather watch him lose his aura than watch the Yanks lose this year because their rotation sucks. I think most Yankee fans would agree.
The Cow wrote:If they move Joba to the rotation now and try to limit his innings by skipping starts, pitch counts or shutting him down early, the Yanks risk either pushing Joba well past his IP limit, which is a bad move long term. The pressure will be high for the Yanks to press Joba past whatever IP limit they have on him should the Yanks make the playoffs or even if they are in a pennant race. I don't see the Yanks shutting Joba down when they are battling for a playoff spot in Aug-Sept. As the playoff pressure continues to mount so will the desire to push Joba past his limits. The best way to limit Joba is to limit him NOW when the pressure is lower. Just wait until June for Joba and enjoy the quality set up work in the mean time.
The Cow
My counter argument would be that teams do this all the time and pretty successfully (shutting down early, skipping starts, etc).
I think it's better to find out now if he can be a starter and let him take his lumps early in the season. This way, they won't jerk him back and forth if he doesn't work out as a starter mid-season while losing ground in the standings. If they convert him later then they will almost have no choice but to commit to him as a starter for the rest of the season. If they wait too long then they also run the risk of missing out on CC or anyone who might be available by the trade deadline (if they are still contending).
I think both sides of the argument makes sense but in the end, he really needs to be in the rotation this year.
A contending team cannot shut down a top SP early if they are trying to contend. They could limit Joba via pitch count and skipping starts, but come Aug-Sept the Yanks will do everything in their power to win and skipping Joba or shutting him down would not be an option. As a Joba owner I would love it if he were starting, but its in his best interests to spend April and May in the pen. Its only another 4 weeks or so until Joba time, so relax. The Yanks come July will have seen Joba in the rotation for a month so they will have a good idea what they have in Joba as a starter. That will not limit them in trying to deal for a C.C., who could very well be available because the Tribe offense is offensive.
The Cow
A month is not even close to enough time to get a good idea on how a young pitcher will do as a starter. For instance, look at what his teammates Hughes and Kennedy have done so far in April. Their performance is not indicative of what they will do for the rest of the season. If the Joba in the rotation experiment fails in mid July then it could be too late for them to make the necessary trades in order to compete this year.
In any case, I'll agree to disagree. I'd rather him not waste his bullets in the pen if he is perfectly capable of helping out the rotation.
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OK whatever that means. I'd rather watch him lose his aura than watch the Yanks lose this year because their rotation sucks. I think most Yankee fans would agree.
OK whatever that means. I'd rather watch him lose his aura than watch the Yanks lose this year because their rotation sucks. I think most Yankee fans would agree.
He loses his mystique ...
What?
Mystique and aura are both worth about 2 wins apiece.
j24jags wrote:With Bruney out there's really no chance Joba moves now...
With Hughes inability to pitch 4 innings, I believe there is a big chance now. Switch Hughes and Joba or do something. The yankees rotation is pathetic right now and the way Kennedy and Hughes are pitching they are going to burn out the bullpen.
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by The Cow » Tue Apr 29, 2008 5:00 pm 
