Can this be VETOED? WHIR - Fantasy Baseball Cafe 2014 Fantasy Baseball Cafe
100% Deposit Bonus for Cafe Members!

Return to Commissioner's Corner

Can this be VETOED? WHIR

Moderator: Baseball Moderators

Can this be VETOED? WHIR

Postby mission27 » Sat Apr 19, 2008 1:23 pm

Team A gets: Cole Hamels
Team B gets: John Smoltz, Jeff Francouer

This is a keeper league so that has to be considered. Is this worth a veto?

Ill answer yours if you please give me some help!
Image
mission27
Major League Manager
Major League Manager

User avatar

Posts: 1132
Joined: 12 Feb 2007
Home Cafe: Baseball
Location: Connecticut

Re: Can this be VETOED? WHIR

Postby Matthias » Sat Apr 19, 2008 1:33 pm

In a redraft, I would definitely veto. Smoltz is having, and looks like he will continue to have, a year equivalent to Hamels. And I'm a big buyer on Francouer this year... he could be a top-20 OFer.

In a keeper league, I let it go. I didn't get Smoltz in any league because he has to get old eventually (you would think, anyways) and Hamels could be a stud going into the next five years. So it depends kinda on league settings (slots/categories/etc) and how the keepers are structured (keep 3, keep 7, keep at whatever pick, whatever, whatever), but as a generic answer, I can see value equivalence, or at least close enough.

Even though I defend the right to veto trades, I only think it's appropriate where it's truly, truly bad. And this isn't.
0-3 to 4-3. Worst choke in the history of baseball. Enough said.
Matthias
General Manager
General Manager


Posts: 4860
Joined: 16 Mar 2005
Home Cafe: Baseball

Re: Can this be VETOED? WHIR

Postby noseeum » Sat Apr 19, 2008 2:10 pm

This is one of those where you would definitely have a significant number of owners on both sides of the argument. I think the Smoltz and Francouer is the clear winner, but there are so many owner with the Hamels mancrush and the concern for Smoltz being old that they would prefer Hamels.

Anytime there's debate about who won (even though the Hamels believers are wrong, LOL), there's just no way you can veto.
noseeum
Major League Manager
Major League Manager


Posts: 1697
Joined: 1 Mar 2005
Home Cafe: Baseball

Re: Can this be VETOED? WHIR

Postby WaCougMBS » Sat Apr 19, 2008 4:11 pm

noseeum wrote:This is one of those where you would definitely have a significant number of owners on both sides of the argument. I think the Smoltz and Francouer is the clear winner, but there are so many owner with the Hamels mancrush and the concern for Smoltz being old that they would prefer Hamels.

Anytime there's debate about who won (even though the Hamels believers are wrong, LOL), there's just no way you can veto.


I agree that there is no way you can veto this trade in good faith, though I see the Smoltz side winning quite easily IF everyone stays healthy, etc...
Image
2012 H2HWS West A champion
WaCougMBS
Radio Pimp
Radio Pimp

User avatar
Radio PimpEditorCafeholicFantasy ExpertCafe WriterCafe RankerMock(ing) DrafterEagle EyeWeb SupporterCafecasterFootball ModPick 3 Weekly WinnerLucky Ladders Weekly Winner
Posts: 7201
(Past Year: 12)
Joined: 29 May 2005
Home Cafe: Football
Location: Guardedly optimistic

Re: Can this be VETOED? WHIR

Postby Oatsdad » Sat Apr 19, 2008 10:47 pm

No veto here...
Oatsdad
Major League Manager
Major League Manager


Posts: 1295
Joined: 24 Dec 2006
Home Cafe: Baseball

Re: Can this be VETOED? WHIR

Postby raiders_umpire » Sun Apr 20, 2008 9:36 am

No veto from me. Smoltz could easily be better then Hamels this year and Francoeur is not a bad bat to have for the future.
Image
raiders_umpire
Moderator
Moderator

User avatar
ModeratorCafeholicFantasy ExpertCafe WriterCafe RankerMock(ing) DrafterEagle EyeInnovative MemberCafe MusketeerPick 3 Weekly WinnerMatchup Meltdown SurvivorLucky Ladders Weekly Winner
Posts: 27781
Joined: 14 Dec 2003
Home Cafe: Baseball
Location: You will be missed, Robert Smeraldo.

Re: Can this be VETOED? WHIR

Postby SirGrotius » Sun Apr 20, 2008 11:44 am

what would be the collusion or cheating here? someone's just expecting big things from hamels.
SirGrotius
Softball Supervisor
Softball Supervisor


Posts: 74
Joined: 15 Sep 2005
Home Cafe: Football

Re: Can this be VETOED? WHIR

Postby DaShiz23 » Sun Apr 20, 2008 8:22 pm

no veto, even though I would lean to one side over the other. Sometimes, a open roster slot can be worth a bit.
Image
DaShiz23
General Manager
General Manager

User avatar
Cafeholic
Posts: 3412
(Past Year: 67)
Joined: 3 Apr 2005
Home Cafe: Baseball
Location: Don't call it a comeback.

Re: Can this be VETOED? WHIR

Postby MadMobius » Mon Apr 21, 2008 12:55 am

DaShiz23 wrote:no veto, even though I would lean to one side over the other. Sometimes, a open roster slot can be worth a bit.


exactly... what if the guy getting Hamels had McLouth riding pine and this was a way to get him into the lineup... then I would love that side of the deal.

no veto on that one
Image
---Lincecum---------Gallardo------Santana-----------Peavy---

Props to "The_Show" for my sig...
MadMobius
Minor League Mentor
Minor League Mentor

User avatar

Posts: 745
Joined: 10 May 2004
Home Cafe: Baseball

Re: Can this be VETOED? WHIR

Postby CruiseJD » Mon Apr 21, 2008 11:17 am

No veto IMO.
CruiseJD
Minor League Mentor
Minor League Mentor

User avatar

Posts: 476
Joined: 30 Mar 2006
Home Cafe: Baseball

Next

Return to Commissioner's Corner

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest

Forums Articles & Tips Sleepers Rankings Leagues


Today's Games
Monday, Jul. 28
(All times are EST, weather icons show forecast for game time)

San Diego at Atlanta
(12:10 pm)
Milwaukee at Tampa Bay
(7:10 pm)
indoors
Philadelphia at NY Mets
(7:10 pm)
Washington at Miami
(7:10 pm)
indoors
Arizona at Cincinnati
(7:10 pm)
Toronto at Boston
(7:10 pm)
Colorado at Chi Cubs
(8:05 pm)
NY Yankees at Texas
(8:05 pm)
Oakland at Houston
(8:10 pm)
Pittsburgh at San Francisco
(10:15 pm)

  • Fantasy Baseball
  • Article Submissions
  • Privacy Statement
  • Site Survey 
  • Contact