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Postby RynMan » Tue Feb 24, 2004 1:03 am

how many saves do ya'll see this guy getting this year with the decent starters they have, solid bullpen, and great offense. i think he could potentially get 40 saves this year....anyone agree?
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Postby tlef316 » Tue Feb 24, 2004 1:10 am

i think 40 is a possibility, but i wouldnt count on it. i think around 35 is a little more likely, but he should have very good ERA, whip and K's. he is a top 6-7 closer in my book.
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Postby NZF » Tue Feb 24, 2004 2:07 am

He should get plenty of opportunities but his record to date as a closer is not that flash. I would have him ranked just outside of the Top 10 at this stage but he may well be Top 5 or 6 come seasons end. Having said that he could just as easily go the other way.

Until he is proven he sits just outside the Top 10 IMO.
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Postby RynMan » Tue Feb 24, 2004 2:09 am

The guy is one of the leagues premier setup men, now he has turned to closer i dont see him doing anything else but being a premier closer. but im of that mind frame "if a guy can get three outs in the 8th, why cant he get them out in the 9th?"...
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Postby NZF » Tue Feb 24, 2004 2:18 am

RynMan wrote:The guy is one of the leagues premier setup men, now he has turned to closer i dont see him doing anything else but being a premier closer. but im of that mind frame "if a guy can get three outs in the 8th, why cant he get them out in the 9th?"...


Yes you would think it would be just as easy but history tells us it isn't. As I said Dotel should be fine and will get plenty of save opps but his carrer saves 28 to blown saves 14 is not a good conversion rate. There are many examples of great set up men not making good closers. Latroy Hawkins and Felix Rodriguez are recent examples that come to mind. I personally think Arthur Rhodes is in this category as well but I'm in the minority. We shall see both with him and Dotel.
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Postby RynMan » Tue Feb 24, 2004 2:20 am

well i hope not cuz i jus traded matt morris away to get dotel today :-/
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Postby RynMan » Tue Feb 24, 2004 2:20 am

however, i would also say dotel is a better setup man than all 3 of the guys you mentioned....
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Postby NZF » Tue Feb 24, 2004 5:05 am

RynMan wrote:however, i would also say dotel is a better setup man than all 3 of the guys you mentioned....


He closed for awhile back in 2000 (16 saves 7 blown saves) and his ERA and WHIP were not good.

He was young then and I am reasonably confident he will make a good closer now in his prime.
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Postby prodpaul » Tue Feb 24, 2004 10:07 am

I am guessing from 35-40 saves.
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Postby Transmogrifier » Tue Feb 24, 2004 10:18 am

tlef316 wrote:i think 40 is a possibility, but i wouldnt count on it. i think around 35 is a little more likely, but he should have very good ERA, whip and K's. he is a top 6-7 closer in my book.


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