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Re: Two Amazing Images In One Day!

Postby knapplc » Wed Apr 16, 2008 5:47 pm

Art Vandelay wrote:
Big Pimpin wrote:While it is interesting and I wouldn't necessarily doubt it, who's to say that he wasn't fair skinned? I don't think any of us could really know what his DNA was like. It's not like he's half Joseph and half Mary. ;-)

Definitely. If someone believes that Jesus was the son of God born to a virgin mother, I don't see why it would be that much more of a stretch to believe that God made him look different that other people in that geographic region...but that's not really here nor there. I just get a kick out of the fact that many people would get nervous sitting next to Jesus on an airplane.

That's a good point, Art. But I would surmise that if he looked markedly different than the people around him that some mention of that would have been made. They simply didn't see blonde-haired, blue-eyed people in the Levant all that often (and most likely those were Romans or Thracians or Gauls). A Jew with those physical features would most certainly have been unheard of, especially since the Jews of the day made such huge distinctions between themselves and Samaritans, when to the casual observer there wouldn't be a lick of difference if you walked by them on the street.

It is most certainly possible. I'm just saying it's not probable, and further I believe it's highly unlikely.

Regardless, this is an interesting question but hardly relevant to the message of Christ. That's what is really important here.
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Re: Two Amazing Images In One Day!

Postby josebach » Wed Apr 16, 2008 6:08 pm

knapplc wrote:Regardless, this is an interesting question but hardly relevant to the message of Christ. That's what is really important here.


This is pretty interesting.

A period of forty years separates the death of Jesus from the writing of the first gospel. History offers us little direct evidence about the events of this period, but it does suggest that the early Christians were engaged in one of the most basic of human activities: story-telling. In the words of Mike White, "It appears that between the death of Jesus and the writing of the first gospel, Mark, that they clearly are telling stories. They're passing on the tradition of what happened to Jesus, what he stood for and what he did, orally, by telling it and retelling it. And in the process they are defining Jesus for themselves."

These shared memories, passed along by word of mouth, are known as "oral tradition." They included stories of Jesus' miracles and healings, his parables and teachings, and his death. Eventually some stories were written down. The first written documents probably included an account of the death of Jesus and a collection of sayings attributed to him.

Then, in about the year 70, the evangelist known as Mark wrote the first "gospel" -- the words mean "good news" about Jesus. We will never know the writer's real identity, or even if his name was Mark, since it was common practice in the ancient world to attribute written works to famous people. But we do know that it was Mark's genius to first to commit the story of Jesus to writing, and thereby inaugurated the gospel tradition.

"The gospels are very peculiar types of literature. They're not biographies," says Prof. Paula Fredriksen, "they are a kind of religious advertisement. What they do is proclaim their individual author's interpretation of the Christian message through the device of using Jesus of Nazareth as a spokesperson for the evangelists' position."

About 15 years after Mark, in about the year 85 CE, the author known as Matthew composed his work, drawing on a variety of sources, including Mark and from a collection of sayings that scholars later called "Q", for Quelle, meaning source. The Gospel of Luke was written about fifteen years later, between 85 and 95. Scholars refer to these three gospels as the "synoptic gospels", because they "see" things in the same way. The Gospel of John, sometimes called "the spiritual gospel," was probably composed between 90 and 100 CE. Its style and presentation clearly set it apart from the other three.

Each of the four gospels depicts Jesus in a different way. These characterizations reflect the past experiences and the particular circumstances of their authors' communities. The historical evidence suggests that Mark wrote for a community deeply affected by the failure of the First Jewish Revolt against Rome. Matthew wrote for a Jewish community in conflict with the Pharisaic Judaism that dominated Jewish life in the postwar period. Luke wrote for a predominately Gentile audience eager to demonstrate that Christian beliefs in no way conflicted with their ability to serve as a good citizen of the Empire.

Despite these differences, all four gospels contain the "passion narrative," the central story of Jesus' suffering and death. That story is directly connected to the Christian ritual of the Eucharist. As Helmut Koester has observed, the ritual cannot "live" without the story.

While the gospels tell a story about Jesus, they also reflect the growing tensions between Christians and Jews. By the time Luke composed his work, tension was breaking into open hostility. By the time John was written, the conflict had become an open rift, reflected in the vituperative invective of the evangelist's language. In the words of Prof. Eric Meyers, "Most of the gospels reflect a period of disagreement, of theological disagreement. And the New Testament tells a story of a broken relationship, and that's part of the sad story that evolves between Jews and Christians, because it is a story that has such awful repercussions in later times."


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Re: Two Amazing Images In One Day!

Postby knapplc » Wed Apr 16, 2008 6:44 pm

:-?

How does that article relate to my quote?
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Re: Two Amazing Images In One Day!

Postby JTWood » Wed Apr 16, 2008 7:17 pm

Metroid wrote:What do you do with a baby Blue Whale? Those things are pretty freaking big! :-b

I suppose they could just swim beside the ark though...heck maybe they even carried some of the critters that didn't fit. ;-D

Yeah... It was a flood. :-b
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Re: Two Amazing Images In One Day!

Postby AussieDodger » Wed Apr 16, 2008 7:50 pm

Big Pimpin wrote:I, for one, wouldn't discount the "fantastical" stuff. There's really nothing that I've seen in the Bible that I feel like I can't trust.


Wow really?
Please don't be offended by this......... but if someone wrote a book now 70 years after something happened, and his source was Chinese whispers I would think the information would have been corrupted a lot.
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Re: Two Amazing Images In One Day!

Postby Big Pimpin » Wed Apr 16, 2008 8:23 pm

AussieDodger wrote:
Big Pimpin wrote:I, for one, wouldn't discount the "fantastical" stuff. There's really nothing that I've seen in the Bible that I feel like I can't trust.


Wow really?
Please don't be offended by this......... but if someone wrote a book now 70 years after something happened, and his source was Chinese whispers I would think the information would have been corrupted a lot.


I'm not offended and certainly everyone has to make their own decisions. But really, there's nothing that I've seen in the Bible that I feel like I can't trust. That being said, if the entire thing was simply a giant metaphor, I don't think it really changes anything for me either. But again, that's just me. :-)
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