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Re: Phil Hughes

Postby High Heater » Mon Apr 14, 2008 8:46 am

he needs to get control. he was all over the place. 39 pitches in the first inning is not going to cut it.

control was this kids calling card and it's nowhere to be seen. he's only 21 but he hasnt matched the hype at all that was set on him and i'm starting to doubt it ever will. he looks more like a solid 2-3 type then a potential ace to me.
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Re: Phil Hughes

Postby Inukchuk » Mon Apr 14, 2008 8:52 am

Wow, bailing so soon on him, Heater? I'm surprised you think this way. I must say, I wasn't too worried about him until you said that. Any insight on why you think his control has abandoned him?
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Re: Phil Hughes

Postby BronXBombers51 » Mon Apr 14, 2008 9:46 am

High Heater wrote:he needs to get control. he was all over the place. 39 pitches in the first inning is not going to cut it.

control was this kids calling card and it's nowhere to be seen. he's only 21 but he hasnt matched the hype at all that was set on him and i'm starting to doubt it ever will. he looks more like a solid 2-3 type then a potential ace to me.


He's had 2 bad starts. Chill.
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Re: Phil Hughes

Postby KCollins1304 » Mon Apr 14, 2008 10:20 am

BronXBombers51 wrote:
High Heater wrote:he needs to get control. he was all over the place. 39 pitches in the first inning is not going to cut it.

control was this kids calling card and it's nowhere to be seen. he's only 21 but he hasnt matched the hype at all that was set on him and i'm starting to doubt it ever will. he looks more like a solid 2-3 type then a potential ace to me.


He's had 2 bad starts. Chill.


Seriously, his last two starts have been in horrible weather, and Boston has one of the best lineups in the AL. If you started him against Boston, you probably deserve the bad start. When the season is all said and done, I think he will be sitting in the 4.0-4.3 range with his ERA. He is going to be up and down all season, mixing disaster with mastery.
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Re: Phil Hughes

Postby BronXBombers51 » Mon Apr 14, 2008 10:24 am

KCollins1304 wrote:
BronXBombers51 wrote:
High Heater wrote:he needs to get control. he was all over the place. 39 pitches in the first inning is not going to cut it.

control was this kids calling card and it's nowhere to be seen. he's only 21 but he hasnt matched the hype at all that was set on him and i'm starting to doubt it ever will. he looks more like a solid 2-3 type then a potential ace to me.


He's had 2 bad starts. Chill.


Seriously, his last two starts have been in horrible weather, and Boston has one of the best lineups in the AL. If you started him against Boston, you probably deserve the bad start. When the season is all said and done, I think he will be sitting in the 4.0-4.3 range with his ERA. He is going to be up and down all season, mixing disaster with mastery.


His problem last night was control. He displayed some of his incredible stuff...making Pedroia look foolish in 2 of his at-bats. He just couldn't consistently throw the stuff for strikes. Now consider the weather, the line-up he was facing, that pinball machine ballpark he was playing in....and the fact that it is only April 13th.
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Re: Phil Hughes

Postby J35J » Mon Apr 14, 2008 10:41 am

AtlDynasty25 wrote:Any possibility that the cold has been detrimental to Hughes' performance over his last 2 outings?

Bingo.....its been very cold in a lot of places to start the year. That alone makes me kind of ignore alot of peoples slow starts....its been horrid playing conditions in alot of places this year. Hughes is a solid pitcher....definately gotta keep ahold of him.
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Re: Phil Hughes

Postby blankman » Mon Apr 14, 2008 11:20 am

A couple of you guys beat me to it, but I really do think its the cold. He was blowing on his hands nonstop between pitches, much more so than any other pitcher I've seen in the series.

In his one game out of the cold, his first start, he was dominant. His fastball is back up to 93 and once he gets a start in a dome or warm city, I think he'll be right back on track.
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Re: Phil Hughes

Postby Yoda » Mon Apr 14, 2008 11:24 am

If Hughes still struggles in June/July then I might start worrying. Two starts in April doesn't mean anything. I might be a bit more picky on when to start him but don't give up on a 22 yo kid with a massive potential.
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Re: Phil Hughes

Postby bigh0rt » Mon Apr 14, 2008 11:49 am

blankman wrote:A couple of you guys beat me to it, but I really do think its the cold. He was blowing on his hands nonstop between pitches, much more so than any other pitcher I've seen in the series.

Maybe he's just a girly man.
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Re: Phil Hughes

Postby moochman » Mon Apr 14, 2008 11:55 am

bigh0rt wrote:
blankman wrote:A couple of you guys beat me to it, but I really do think its the cold. He was blowing on his hands nonstop between pitches, much more so than any other pitcher I've seen in the series.

Maybe he's just a girly man.


:-b I'm sure it's nothing a trip to Comerica won't cure! (Comerica National Park-home of the toothless Tigers)

I do wonder what this says about his mental make-up. If he has such great stuff, shouldn't he have found some pitches that work for him in the cold and survived that way? If it's a softness factor, how can he be expected to perform when teams don't just roll over and play Tigers?
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