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Postby kentx12 » Mon Feb 23, 2004 8:56 pm

1. Pujols
2. Vlad
3. Beltran
4. Manny
5. Sheff
6. Maggs
7. Bonds
8. Vernon Wells
9. Sosa
10. C. Jones


I dont see how Chipper can be left off. His power has dropped the last couple of years but he is a consistant as you can get. 30 hr's, 100 rbi and an Avg over .300. He will be fairly close to this every year.
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Postby Mr.Cocky! » Mon Feb 23, 2004 9:01 pm

Oh, I forgot about the Atlanta Jones pair of Andrew and Chipper. Both should be higher than Giles.
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Postby ajgnydc722 » Mon Feb 23, 2004 10:04 pm

I don't understand why you are so low on Giles. He's finally got a supporting cast. SD is moving to a new ballpark so who knows how it will be.

Plus whats the matter with 36-40 homers, 100 rbis, .290 avg and 15 steals? No way would I consider Carlos Lee or Pierre, nor would I take Chipper, Andruw, or Garrett over him.
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Postby Mr.Cocky! » Mon Feb 23, 2004 10:18 pm

Giles has never hit 40HR's(39 is career high), and Pitt has an awesome hitters park. Last year his batting average(.298) was right on his career .302AVG, but his power went way down 20HR's. He will do better than 20HR this season in SD, but not top 10 better.
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Postby ajgnydc722 » Mon Feb 23, 2004 10:24 pm

Mr.Cocky! wrote:Giles has never hit 40HR's(39 is career high), and Pitt has an awesome hitters park. Last year his batting average(.298) was right on his career .302AVG, but his power went way down 20HR's. He will do better than 20HR this season in SD, but not top 10 better.


Giles was injured and changed teams mid-season. The two previous years before 2003 he hit 38 and 37 homers and knocked in 95-105 rbis in the lowly pittsburgh order. Changing teams midseason can have a negative effect on hitters (see Scott Rolen 2002.) He batted .260 that year, far from his norm.

I never said he hit 40 homers I said 35-40 which means anywhere in that range.
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Postby Mr.Cocky! » Mon Feb 23, 2004 10:29 pm

Playing in SD Giles will hit 30HR's. His numbers will be real similar to C.Lee's 03 numbers 100R, 30HR, 113RBI, 16SB, .290AVG. Top 15-20, but not top ten.
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Postby ajgnydc722 » Mon Feb 23, 2004 10:37 pm

Um...I find it strange that you seem so confident Giles will only hit 30 hrs and C. Lee will put up the same numbers. Do you have any proof? Giles is normally a 36-37-38 hr hitter and San Diego has a new stadium that nobody has seen. How do you know this?
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Re: Top 10 Outfielders....

Postby mtarail » Mon Feb 23, 2004 11:42 pm

ajgdrummer7 wrote:Please rank your top 10 outfielders.....

Mine are:

1. Albert Pujols
2. Vladimir Guerrero
3. Carlos Beltran
4. Barry Bonds
5. Manny Ramirez
6. Magglio Ordonez
7. Gary Sheffield
8. Sammy Sosa
9. Vernon Wells
10. Brian Giles


Perfect. But I'm dropping Giles and putting in Ichiro at 10.

Abreu just barely misses the cut.
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Postby SPEEDY » Mon Feb 23, 2004 11:52 pm

Carlos Beltran
Albert Pujols
Magglio Ordonez
Vladimir Guerrero
Manny Ramirez
Gary Sheffield
Sammy Sosa
Barry Bonds
Vernon Wells
Preston Wilson

my reasoning is simple, durability, and consistancy. Beltran #1 he is a five tool player.

p.s. Giles was 13th on my list lol.
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