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Postby jazzmanljg » Wed Apr 09, 2008 1:46 pm

There's a pretty good article about Bob Gibson on sportsline.

http://www.cbs.sportsline.com/mlb/story/10767929/1

Can you imagine a SP giving you 300+ innings with a 1.12 ERA? The top closers and MR guys would still RAISE your ratios. He was such a BEAST!!
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Postby BronXBombers51 » Wed Apr 09, 2008 1:54 pm

Many of the experts here consider him one of the more overrated players of all-time, I believe.
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Re: This guy could ancor my fantasy staff any day!

Postby BrooklynBums » Wed Apr 09, 2008 2:02 pm

You wanna talk about guys who can anchor your team, here's a couple:
Jimmie Foxx (1932) .364 AVG, 58 HR, 151 R, 169 RBI, 3 SB
Christy Mathewson (1908) 390 innings, 1.43 ERA, .837 WHIP, 37 W, 259 K
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Postby markj11 » Wed Apr 09, 2008 3:27 pm

BrooklynBums wrote:You wanna talk about guys who can anchor your team, here's a couple:
Jimmie Foxx (1932) .364 AVG, 58 HR, 151 R, 169 RBI, 3 SB
Christy Mathewson (1908) 390 innings, 1.43 ERA, .837 WHIP, 37 W, 259 K
:-L :-L


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Re: This guy could ancor my fantasy staff any day!

Postby TLincecum55 » Wed Apr 09, 2008 3:47 pm

jazzmanljg wrote:There's a pretty good article about Bob Gibson on sportsline.

http://www.cbs.sportsline.com/mlb/story/10767929/1

Can you imagine a SP giving you 300+ innings with a 1.12 ERA? The top closers and MR guys would still RAISE your ratios. He was such a BEAST!!


That was before corked bats and HGH.
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Re: This guy could ancor my fantasy staff any day!

Postby BronXBombers51 » Wed Apr 09, 2008 3:54 pm

TLincecum55 wrote:
jazzmanljg wrote:There's a pretty good article about Bob Gibson on sportsline.

http://www.cbs.sportsline.com/mlb/story/10767929/1

Can you imagine a SP giving you 300+ innings with a 1.12 ERA? The top closers and MR guys would still RAISE your ratios. He was such a BEAST!!


That was before corked bats and HGH.


Corked bats have been around since Babe Ruth introduced them to the game. And amphetamines were rampant in those times.
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Postby AcidRock23 » Wed Apr 09, 2008 6:47 pm

jazzmanljg wrote:There's a pretty good article about Bob Gibson on sportsline.

http://www.cbs.sportsline.com/mlb/story/10767929/1

Can you imagine a SP giving you 300+ innings with a 1.12 ERA? The top closers and MR guys would still RAISE your ratios. He was such a BEAST!!


I agree that Bob was the shizzle. I am not an expert though? :-?
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Re: This guy could ancor my fantasy staff any day!

Postby JimmyBaseball » Wed Apr 09, 2008 8:52 pm

BronXBombers51 wrote:Many of the experts here consider him one of the more overrated players of all-time, I believe.



If he were a Yankee or Red Sox he would be the "undisputed best pitcher ever." Just goes to show what happens when people put on the blinders.
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Re: This guy could ancor my fantasy staff any day!

Postby BronXBombers51 » Wed Apr 09, 2008 8:58 pm

JimmyBaseball wrote:
BronXBombers51 wrote:Many of the experts here consider him one of the more overrated players of all-time, I believe.



If he were a Yankee or Red Sox he would be the "undisputed best pitcher ever." Just goes to show what happens when people put on the blinders.


Actually, Tavish, a Royals fan and one of the most knowledgeable posters on this board, gave his reasoning in this thread: viewtopic.php?t=289975&start=30

Tavish wrote:1968 ERA Leaders
<pre>
Gibson-STL 1.12
Tiant-CLE 1.60
McDowell-CLE 1.81
McNally-BAL 1.95
McLain-DET 1.96
John-CHW 1.98
Bolin-SFG 1.99
Bahnsen-NYY 2.05
Veale-PIT 2.05
Koosman-NYM 2.08</pre>

They didn't change the rules because of Gibson. They changed the rules because every decent pitcher was putting up low 2.00 ERAs. 1968 was the only season Gibson won the ERA crown and he finished in the Top 3 only 1 other time. That pales in comparison to what the truly legendary pitchers put out.

Walter Johnson - 5 ERA Titles, 10 Top 3
Roger Clemens - 7 ERA Titles, 10 Top 3
Lefty Grove - 9 ERA Titles, 10 Top 3
Pedro Martinez - 5 ERA Titles, 6 Top 3
Pete Alexander - 4 ERA Titles, 6 Top 3
Christy Mathewson - 5 ERA Titles, 8 Top 3
Greg Maddux - 4 ERA Titles, 8 Top 3
Tom Seaver - 3 ERA Titles, 6 Top 3

Gibson was a very good pitcher and was amazing in 1968. But he just isn't in the same class as the other greats where most people usually try and put him.

Most Comparable Pitchers to Bob Gibson
<pre> 1. Jim Palmer (901) *
2. Jack Morris (885)
3. Amos Rusie (880) *
4. Luis Tiant (876)
5. Bob Feller (871) *
6. Vic Willis (867) *
7. Jim Bunning (861) *
8. Don Drysdale (846) *
9. George Mullin (845)
10. Juan Marichal (844) *</pre>

An excellent list of comparable players with many good HoFers filling out the list. It is hard to make a case for any of them except for maybe Feller (if you want to give him extra bonus for missing time for WWII) as being a Top 10 All-Time Pitcher.


So maybe you should relax on the generalizations.
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Re: This guy could ancor my fantasy staff any day!

Postby bigh0rt » Wed Apr 09, 2008 9:12 pm

JimmyBaseball wrote:
BronXBombers51 wrote:Many of the experts here consider him one of the more overrated players of all-time, I believe.



If he were a Yankee or Red Sox he would be the "undisputed best pitcher ever." Just goes to show what happens when people put on the blinders.

Its not our fault that the best baseball in America is played East of the Hudson. :^
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