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Postby BillyHallDisciple » Fri Apr 04, 2008 12:20 pm

What website can I use to find out these stats?

For example, to find out Ryan Church's lifetime stats vs. Tim Hudson, and vice versa.

Sportsline used to have them, but I don't see it on their site anymore. I checked mlb.com but you can only search by a specific year and the links don't always work.

Any help would be much appreciated!
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Re: Batter vs. Pitcher match-ups

Postby AussieDodger » Fri Apr 04, 2008 12:22 pm

Bwanna's add-on stuff used to do that, but mine doesn't any more.
Might be worth digging his Yahoo scripts thread up and having a look. ;-D
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Postby HOOTIE » Fri Apr 04, 2008 12:30 pm

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Re: Batter vs. Pitcher match-ups

Postby Steve-o » Fri Apr 04, 2008 1:39 pm

HOOTIE wrote:http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/5775/batvspit;_ylt=ArCNInWjLVUuEVsVbFn9fimFCLcF?year=career&type=Batting



Yeah. I use Yahoo for splits and individual pitching matchups too.
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Re: Batter vs. Pitcher match-ups

Postby GotowarMissAgnes » Fri Apr 04, 2008 1:57 pm

FWIW, most studies show that this match-up information is pretty useless for predicting how batters will do the next time they face a pitcher. Use at your own risk.
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Re: Batter vs. Pitcher match-ups

Postby neoforce » Fri Apr 04, 2008 2:08 pm

GotowarMissAgnes wrote:FWIW, most studies show that this match-up information is pretty useless for predicting how batters will do the next time they face a pitcher. Use at your own risk.


Thanks for a point I wasn't aware of. But I guess I shouldn't be suprised. After all, unless you are named Dusty Baker there are tons of obvious baseball things that were disproven by math.

Although I understand the overall concepts, I'm not a SABR expert. I would assume that in this case, one of the main issues is around sample sizes. A batter just doesn't face a pitcher enough to know if his success/failure is indicative of a true trend or just short term results that will regress to the mean.

Do you know more about those studies GotowarMissAgnes and anything in the results as to why it is not predictive data? Is it sample size or are there other factors in play?
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Re: Batter vs. Pitcher match-ups

Postby Steve-o » Fri Apr 04, 2008 2:45 pm

GotowarMissAgnes wrote:FWIW, most studies show that this match-up information is pretty useless for predicting how batters will do the next time they face a pitcher. Use at your own risk.


Yeah. That kind of information is a last, last resort for me.

I do create a lefty/right cheat sheet from the Yahoo stats that I check everday for every league I am in. It's quite a bit of work, but I believe the results are worth it.
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Re: Batter vs. Pitcher match-ups

Postby GotowarMissAgnes » Fri Apr 04, 2008 4:55 pm

Probably the best study I've seen of this is here:

http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/artic ... nificance/

And, yes, it's primarily a sample size issue.
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Re: Batter vs. Pitcher match-ups

Postby BillyHallDisciple » Fri Apr 04, 2008 5:29 pm

Yeah, I don't take these batter/pitcher match-ups as gospel, I just use them as guidance on deciding between fringe players when the sample sizes are big enough to try to get a semi-accurate forecast.
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