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Postby Nomarrrrrrrrrr » Wed Apr 02, 2008 9:40 am

Inukchuk wrote:I was looking at the CWS/CLE recap, and I noticed Perez had a blown save. Does anyone know why he was sent in instead of Borowski (who ended up getting the save in extras)? My guess would be that Wedge was conceding the run and playing for extra innings, but would I be right thinking that or is there something else going on?


Perez blew a lead in the 7th and there were no extra innings in that game.
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Postby Nomarrrrrrrrrr » Wed Apr 02, 2008 9:42 am

slomo007 wrote:I'm also in DFW and have not heard Fuku or Eddie's name being tossed around in the closer mix at all. It was basically Wilson from the start. Eddie is just too much of a question mark given his age and declining skills, and Fuku has no MLB experience at all...they would not toss him in the fire like that. It was between Benoit and Wilson from the start and Wilson won it handily. Benoit will start as the setup man, with Eddie being the lefty specialist and also sharing 7th inning duties with Fuku.


I think it is possible people are putting Fukumori ahead of Benoit because he was during ST due to the injuries to Benoit and Guardado. I think Havok has it right on the first page. Fukumori will probably take over closing at some point next year if I had to guess.
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Re: 2008 Closers Thread

Postby Bloody Sox » Wed Apr 02, 2008 9:49 am

Havok1517 wrote:
Syfo-Dyas wrote:
Havok1517 wrote: Obviously, Fukumori isn't ready to be in stressful positions yet but he will be later in the seaosn imo.

Not ready? Based on one bad inning?
But he will be later?
Hows that possible? He will participate in a pitching crash-course? :-D

He was closing in Japan, thats stressful enough IMO.
The question is more like does he got the stuff to get major league hitters out or not.
And we'll find that out soon.

I watched that inning and the way I saw it he was ok. He is pitching down in the zone, and his pitches are moving well.
Got his first major league out, there was no stress there. And thats always the most difficult.
He was too careful to Johjima, but the hit was a seeing eye single and could have been an inning ending double play just as easily.
No runs no hits one BB, we're not talking.
And his first wild pitch wasnt that wild at all. Major league catchers should be able to handle those low pitches easily.
The BB to Ichiro was ordered. Then the pitching coach talked to him and visibly made him upset.
On the Lopez double, I have no idea what Blalock was doin. Late in the game corner infielders are hugging the line to protect against doubles. He wasnt, and the ball just went inside third base. Should have been another out.


It is pretty logical. There is a healthy talent gap between Japan and the MLB and being thrown out there proved he wasn't quite ready confidence wise. It took Okajima a few games to get into the grove.

Well actually, just one. After his first outing, he didn't give up a single hit in his next 7 outings and only walked two total.
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Re: 2008 Closers Thread

Postby slomo007 » Wed Apr 02, 2008 10:01 am

Nomarrrrrrrrrr wrote:
slomo007 wrote:I'm also in DFW and have not heard Fuku or Eddie's name being tossed around in the closer mix at all. It was basically Wilson from the start. Eddie is just too much of a question mark given his age and declining skills, and Fuku has no MLB experience at all...they would not toss him in the fire like that. It was between Benoit and Wilson from the start and Wilson won it handily. Benoit will start as the setup man, with Eddie being the lefty specialist and also sharing 7th inning duties with Fuku.


I think it is possible people are putting Fukumori ahead of Benoit because he was during ST due to the injuries to Benoit and Guardado. I think Havok has it right on the first page. Fukumori will probably take over closing at some point next year if I had to guess.


Disagree completely, but that's just me (a Ranger fan) talking. Wilson has been extremely vocal about wanting the closing gig, and unless the player is performing very poorly you just don't take it away from someone with a desire to close games like he has. If he blows several saves, obviously you have no choice....so not saying it can't happen....but it will be strictly performance driven rather than Ron Washington or upper management wanting to see someone succeed for other reasons.
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Re: 2008 Closers Thread

Postby Inukchuk » Wed Apr 02, 2008 10:34 am

Nomarrrrrrrrrr wrote:
Inukchuk wrote:I was looking at the CWS/CLE recap, and I noticed Perez had a blown save. Does anyone know why he was sent in instead of Borowski (who ended up getting the save in extras)? My guess would be that Wedge was conceding the run and playing for extra innings, but would I be right thinking that or is there something else going on?


Perez blew a lead in the 7th and there were no extra innings in that game.


Oh...apparently, I couldn't have been wronger about that game... :*)
I guess I saw the BS and just figured it was the 9th, then mixed up the Detroit/Cleveland games. I think I was watching both at the same time.

Sorry for wasting everyone's time in my original post, and this one... !+)
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Re: 2008 Closers Thread

Postby Nomarrrrrrrrrr » Wed Apr 02, 2008 10:45 am

slomo007 wrote:Disagree completely, but that's just me (a Ranger fan) talking. Wilson has been extremely vocal about wanting the closing gig, and unless the player is performing very poorly you just don't take it away from someone with a desire to close games like he has. If he blows several saves, obviously you have no choice....so not saying it can't happen....but it will be strictly performance driven rather than Ron Washington or upper management wanting to see someone succeed for other reasons.



WHAT? We are talking about who his first backup is if Wilson gets hurt or sucks it up. I never said Wilson wasn't the guy right now. You said you disagree compeltely but then nothing you said was in disagreance with what I said.

ps. Havok you can delete all of my posts to date on this thread if you want to reduce the size of this Texas talk. I don't know why everyone has such a problem with reading 2 pages (takes 2 minutes?) and if you haven't read it in awhile you probably missed the boat on any changes anyway.
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Re: 2008 Closers Thread

Postby slomo007 » Wed Apr 02, 2008 11:12 am

Nomarrrrrrrrrr wrote:WHAT? We are talking about who his first backup is if Wilson gets hurt or sucks it up. I never said Wilson wasn't the guy right now. You said you disagree compeltely but then nothing you said was in disagreance with what I said.

ps. Havok you can delete all of my posts to date on this thread if you want to reduce the size of this Texas talk. I don't know why everyone has such a problem with reading 2 pages (takes 2 minutes?) and if you haven't read it in awhile you probably missed the boat on any changes anyway.


Your exact quote that I disagree with:
Nomarrrrrrrrrr wrote:Fukumori will probably take over closing at some point next year if I had to guess.
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Postby bloul11 » Wed Apr 02, 2008 1:24 pm

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