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Re: The bane of fantasy . . .

Postby Grounded Polo » Tue Apr 01, 2008 10:32 pm

Kevin Gregg entered the game in a non-save situation tonight and he managed 2 walks but couldn't blow the game. :-C
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Re: The bane of fantasy . . .

Postby Half Massed » Tue Apr 01, 2008 10:36 pm

fezzik wrote:I wouldn't be happy if I had Borowski on my team and they did that with him though... :-D


Especially since:

Borowski's ERA in save situations in 2007: 3.75
Borowski's ERA in non-save situations in 2007: 11.07

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Re: The bane of fantasy . . .

Postby Rotundor » Tue Apr 01, 2008 10:38 pm

fezzik wrote:I don't mind. I typically only draft closers with good ratios, so I'm happy to see them pitching. It's not like pitching on a given night will prevent them from closing the next day if necessary. Give me a K or two and lower my era/whip. ;-D


Well we can't ALL have Papelbum, Putz or Kerry Wood now can we...
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Re: The bane of fantasy . . .

Postby Matthias » Tue Apr 01, 2008 11:08 pm

Rotundor wrote:
fezzik wrote:I don't mind. I typically only draft closers with good ratios, so I'm happy to see them pitching. It's not like pitching on a given night will prevent them from closing the next day if necessary. Give me a K or two and lower my era/whip. ;-D

Well we can't ALL have Papelbum, Putz or Kerry Wood now can we...

It's not a save by the time Wood is done with it.
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Re: The bane of fantasy . . .

Postby fezzik » Tue Apr 01, 2008 11:09 pm

Rotundor wrote:
fezzik wrote:I don't mind. I typically only draft closers with good ratios, so I'm happy to see them pitching. It's not like pitching on a given night will prevent them from closing the next day if necessary. Give me a K or two and lower my era/whip. ;-D


Well we can't ALL have Papelbum, Putz or Kerry Wood now can we...


My closers are Soriano, Soria, and Sherrill. ;-D
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Re: The bane of fantasy . . .

Postby fezzik » Tue Apr 01, 2008 11:10 pm

jfg wrote:
fezzik wrote:It's not like pitching on a given night will prevent them from closing the next day if necessary.


But, it might cause them to not pitch in two days. Non-Save, Save, and then somebody else gets the save opp on the third consecutive day in most cases.


Most capable closers can/will pitch on three consecutive days (this is only from my own recollection, so if you have data that suggests otherwise..then fair enough). I agree that on the fourth they would not go though.
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Re: The bane of fantasy . . .

Postby jealousblues » Tue Apr 01, 2008 11:15 pm

izzy did a good job for me today in a non close situation though
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Re: The bane of fantasy . . .

Postby FoolOnTheHill » Tue Apr 01, 2008 11:50 pm

jealousblues wrote:izzy did a good job for me today in a non close situation though


I've got him too and was worried about him today . . . :-°
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Re: The bane of fantasy . . .

Postby jealousblues » Wed Apr 02, 2008 1:45 am

Izzy and Broxton (as well as Young) did well today to undo Gordon's mess
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Re: The bane of fantasy . . .

Postby thursday_13 » Wed Apr 02, 2008 2:08 am

I think the opinion that closers should only be used in a "save" situation is kind of narrow minded.

First, when you have a closer in a tie game or close game (i.e. Saito just today) you have the off chance of a win. While the odds of that are narrow, the advantage of a few extra wins in a week is huge. In H2H leagues, every stat counts. As I just mentioned, Saito just added a W and 3K to the tally of many teams, including mine. So what if you dont get the save. Saito will be ready again after tomorrow, and worst case scenario, the Dodgers have a 3 R lead in the 9th and send in some scrub. Best case scenario; the dodgers get blown out and Saito isn't needed anyways. Then instead of no save and no stats at all, he is ready to go on thursday (or Friday, I don't know when they play next) and can be thrown in as early as the 8th on Friday.

Second, I'd rather get 90 IP out of a closer and still only have 35 saves, than get 40 saves but only 40 IP. We often complain that closers only add true value in one category, but then complain when they are being used to give better value. Besides, a closer like Papelbon getting 90 IP this year is probably 130 K's! That's more than guys like Roy Halladay or Wang will get you this year; and with superior WHIP and ERA numbers.

The only downside, is the injury risk does go up with heavy work loads. But, they are closers! They turn over pretty fast anyways. with the obvious exceptions, most closers last 2-5 years. Just 3 years ago (2005) Bob Wickman and Danys Baez were high end closers in the AL; heck, does anyone remember Dustin Hermanson? Or that Derrick Turnbow once looked like a future elite closer.

So, I say, get em in while they last.
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