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Re: Justin Morneau is not even a 5th rounder

Postby Yoda » Thu Jan 15, 2009 5:18 pm

Mauer >>> Morneau.

Kemper just thinks Morneau is cute.
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Re: Justin Morneau is not even a 5th rounder

Postby bigh0rt » Thu Jan 15, 2009 5:19 pm

kemper5 wrote:
BritSox wrote:
Curtis Pride wrote:He never should have even won his first MVP award. Mauer was worth way more to his team than Morneau. Way way more. Mauer had a higher OPS, played a much tougher defensive position, and played it exceptionally well.


Jeter should have won it that year (his baserunning being the deciding factor imho) though you're right in that Mauer was a better candidate than JM. Mauer should have won this year.


NO way Mauer was a better candidate, he did not even win the gold glove that year and was good, but not great in his 2nd full season defensively , he played in 120 games or so and had what 11 HR's and 80 RBI's and 80 runs type season..He had 1 thing to go on a batting title..Morneau brought more wins and out produced him

I largely disagree. I don't even think Morneau was the 2nd best player in the AL that year.
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Re: Justin Morneau is not even a 5th rounder

Postby Madison » Thu Jan 15, 2009 5:43 pm

worth way more to his team


Seen that said quite a few times, but it is totally and 100% irrelevant when it comes to who is the "Most Valuable Player in the League" which is what the award is named, not "Most Valuable Player to His Team". Instead of thinking team by team, think of each league as one team. Then decide who the best player in each league was. That is how the award is named and intended to be.
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Re: Justin Morneau is not even a 5th rounder

Postby BritSox » Thu Jan 15, 2009 5:53 pm

kemper5 wrote:
BritSox wrote:
Curtis Pride wrote:He never should have even won his first MVP award. Mauer was worth way more to his team than Morneau. Way way more. Mauer had a higher OPS, played a much tougher defensive position, and played it exceptionally well.


Jeter should have won it that year (his baserunning being the deciding factor imho) though you're right in that Mauer was a better candidate than JM. Mauer should have won this year.


NO way Mauer was a better candidate, he did not even win the gold glove that year and was good, but not great in his 2nd full season defensively , he played in 120 games or so and had what 11 HR's and 80 RBI's and 80 runs type season..He had 1 thing to go on a batting title..Morneau brought more wins and out produced him


140 games. 13 HR. And HE'S A CATCHER. 'Did not even win the gold glove?' How is that an argument? A 'good but not great' catcher is much more valuable than an OK first baseman.

Mauer's OBP: .429
Morneau's: .375

Oh, and do you really want to guess WHY Morneau had so many RBIs?
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Re: Justin Morneau is not even a 5th rounder

Postby Curtis Pride » Thu Jan 15, 2009 5:56 pm

kemper5 wrote:
BritSox wrote:
Curtis Pride wrote:He never should have even won his first MVP award. Mauer was worth way more to his team than Morneau. Way way more. Mauer had a higher OPS, played a much tougher defensive position, and played it exceptionally well.


Jeter should have won it that year (his baserunning being the deciding factor imho) though you're right in that Mauer was a better candidate than JM. Mauer should have won this year.


NO way Mauer was a better candidate, he did not even win the gold glove that year and was good, but not great in his 2nd full season defensively , he played in 120 games or so and had what 11 HR's and 80 RBI's and 80 runs type season..He had 1 thing to go on a batting title..Morneau brought more wins and out produced him

Gold Gloves, homers, and RBIs.

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Re: Justin Morneau is not even a 5th rounder

Postby BronXBombers51 » Thu Jan 15, 2009 10:54 pm

BritSox wrote:
kemper5 wrote:
BritSox wrote:
Jeter should have won it that year (his baserunning being the deciding factor imho) though you're right in that Mauer was a better candidate than JM. Mauer should have won this year.


NO way Mauer was a better candidate, he did not even win the gold glove that year and was good, but not great in his 2nd full season defensively , he played in 120 games or so and had what 11 HR's and 80 RBI's and 80 runs type season..He had 1 thing to go on a batting title..Morneau brought more wins and out produced him


140 games. 13 HR. And HE'S A CATCHER. 'Did not even win the gold glove?' How is that an argument? A 'good but not great' catcher is much more valuable than an OK first baseman.

Mauer's OBP: .429
Morneau's: .375

Oh, and do you really want to guess WHY Morneau had so many RBIs?


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I got into this debate with some Twin fans a while back. Mauer was certainly more valuable to Minnesota than Morneau was.
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