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Postby stevelabny » Fri Feb 20, 2004 3:09 am

i love how most poeple compare the staffs wrong.
do it the right way.

schilling vs brown = two previously injured dominant pitchers. WASH

pedro vs mussina = pedros better pitcher, but only lasts 6 innings. WASH

vasquez vs lowe = vasquez

contreras vs wakefield = a question mark and a knuckleball pitcher (translation: hes ALWAYS a question mark) = WASH

kim vs lieber = depends on kims mental health and liebers physical health. WASH

therefore, the yankees have the better staff 1-0-4
and that mariano guy.

the cubs clearly have the BEST staff.
the real question is where the astros come in... 2, 3, or 4.
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Postby Absolutely Adequate » Fri Feb 20, 2004 3:33 am

I think that your opinion may be a bit biased Steve.

Let's see how the Cafe ranked them fantasy-wise.

They consider Pedro to be Bostons best and they consider him better than Vazquez (whom they consider NYs #1)

Schilling over Mussina (Both teams #2 in the cafes opinion)

Brown over Lowe

Contreras over Wakefield

Kim over Lieber

so that makes it 3-2. With the Sox heavily favored in a short series.

Pedro
Schilling
Vazquez
Mussina
Brown
Lowe
Contreras
Wakefield
Kim
Lieber
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Postby stevelabny » Fri Feb 20, 2004 3:40 am

and i was prett sure that giving the 5 pitcher battle a result of
1-0-4 with FOUR ties would escape me from being labeled biased.
guess not. :-P
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Postby DGroundhog » Fri Feb 20, 2004 3:54 am

I think steve made a good point comparing them the way he did. I don't completely agree with the final tally, but there is certainly a lot of 'washes' coming from Brooklyn.

It ssemed quite unbiased to me.
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Postby HOOTIE » Fri Feb 20, 2004 5:09 am

I don't see Lieber anywhere close to Kim.
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Postby NZF » Fri Feb 20, 2004 5:37 am

IMO it is too close to call.

Pedro and Schilling outpoint Mussina and Vazquez but Brown, Contreras and Lieber is better than Lowe, Wakefield and Kim.

I don't think the addition of A-Rod and Sheff will make much difference to Pedro either. He's owned them!
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Postby SoxFanPJ » Fri Feb 20, 2004 8:53 am

In My obviously unbiased opinion;


1. Mussina vs. Martinez: This one is easy, Pedro, he's got an era @2.50 for the past decade, rediculous winning percentage, and high Ks. Only edge Moose has is durability. PEDRO

2. Vazquez vs. Schilling: This is a case of potential stud versus proven stud. Vazquez has been good on the Expos, where there is very little pressure to perform, how will he react to the NY pressure cooker? He has also been pitching a ton of innings, could he break down? Schilling is plain and simply a horse, his injurys last year where of the fluke variety and put his preperation with Variteks and they will have the edge on any batters they face. SCHILLING

3. Brown vs. Lowe: This one I think is the closest, Brown is a stud, but what are the chances he stays healthy again this year? Lowe has one 38 games the past two years. PUSH

4. Contreras vs. Wakefield: Contreras has shown nothing but flashes of being a quality pitcher and could go either way. On the other side Wake is a proven Vet, moving up the Sox list of career victories. WAKEFIELD

5. Lieber vs. Kim: Lieber is pitching for the first time since TJ surgery, Kim is pitching the first time since he flipped off RSN.
I'll take Kim's youth and potential in my 5th spot. KIM
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Postby Mookie4ever » Fri Feb 20, 2004 9:16 am

I would take Boston, Yankees second.

The Cubs are the staff of the future (maybe the present - we will soon see), followed by Oakland and Houston.
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Postby Pogotheostrich » Fri Feb 20, 2004 9:37 am

Top to bottom I think the Yankees have the better staff. But Boston has the best 2 SP IMO. Should make things interesting come playoff time.
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Postby mikcou » Fri Feb 20, 2004 10:01 am

DGroundhog wrote:I think steve made a good point comparing them the way he did. I don't completely agree with the final tally, but there is certainly a lot of 'washes' coming from Brooklyn.

It ssemed quite unbiased to me.


It was a good way of comparing the pitchers. However is schilling really injury prone? Does one season of odd injuries make him injury prone?
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