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Postby Cornbread Maxwell » Fri Feb 20, 2004 10:00 am

You make some good points, short.

Im pretty neutral to slightly bearish on Bags this yr. If he falls too far, Ill take him, but Im certainly not going to pay full price for him.

Houston's offense is very good, dont get me wrong, but I see some chinks in the armor. Maybe Kent's best yrs were with Bonds. Berkman needs to improve to become the elite OF he should be. Bagwell could be over the hill. Ensberg could have a sophomore slump. Now, I wouldnt bet on all these things happening, but its a scenario that isnt that much of a stretch. Im just playing devils advocate.
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Postby KDOGG » Fri Feb 20, 2004 11:27 am

wasnt ensburg's sophmore year last year ? I could be wrong but i didnt think that was a slump if it was his second year.
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Postby Cornbread Maxwell » Fri Feb 20, 2004 12:07 pm

KDOGG wrote:wasnt ensburg's sophmore year last year ? I could be wrong but i didnt think that was a slump if it was his second year.


Nope. In 2002 he played 49 games, and in 2003 he was in 127. It depends on your definition, but im gonna say this is his sophmore campaign.
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Postby Scoot » Fri Feb 20, 2004 1:02 pm

He should put up good numbers, .285-30-100-100 but....
Has anyone mentioned his deterioating shoulder injury that will probably force him to retire eventually? or the fact he is one of the streakiest (?) players in the game? He went some insane about of AB last year without a rbi!

I don't like him I think that there are better options at 1st. I wouldn't pick him before the 5th.
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Postby Area51's » Fri Feb 20, 2004 2:23 pm

trevisc wrote:.280-30-100-110


Right on! Won't see .300 again....or 20 SB...but good dependable power numbers in a nice lineup AND a hitting park. Shows up for work too!

I keep switching between him and Huff for 7th best 1b
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Postby Steve Kemp » Fri Feb 20, 2004 2:25 pm

if he slips, it'll be just a bit. Everyone's downgrading him, so he could be a bargain come draft day.

.280 35hr 100rbi 10 sb....not bad numbers
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Postby shortsavage » Fri Feb 20, 2004 5:29 pm

There must be a fantasy baseball psychic hotline that I do not know about and you guys are all dialing into it.

How can you dance around with projections that are supported by nothing more stalwart than chop sticks?

Bagwell Pros: still playing in a hitter's park and decent lineup support

Bagwell Cons: aging, shoulder problems and inconsistant

I guess there is a weak agruement that he could replicate his 2003 numbers, but I am still yet to see any reasons for why he could be better.

Please help me balance this Bagwell equation.
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Postby HOOTIE » Sat Feb 21, 2004 1:17 am

shortsavage wrote:There must be a fantasy baseball psychic hotline that I do not know about and you guys are all dialing into it.

I guess there is a weak agruement that he could replicate his 2003 numbers, but I am still yet to see any reasons for why he could be better.


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Bags repeating isn't a weak argument. 2nd half numbers

25 hrs wow
62 rbis nice
978 ops sweet
8.06 RC/27 stud

I'm not going to say he increases, but i don't see why he can't repeat.
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Postby reiser » Sat Feb 21, 2004 11:16 am

umm, yeah, the last time he had under 150 games and 30 HR was......1995.
he's not going to have a 99 or 00 season again, but probably solid.

Conservatively, .285 29 95
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Postby thaklanksta » Sun Feb 22, 2004 12:27 am

Bags will be just fine, no need for justification that he will put up similiar numbers, just trust that the guy performs every year even when his arm isn't all that well. Knowing his injury and knowing what it feels like in that area to swing a bat leads me to believe he will put up better numbers than last year, especially knowing that Berkman and Kent had down years making his numbers a little less also. This year that won't be the case. Top 7...yes!
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