Some good conversation, exactly what I was hoping for. I am notorious for neglecting SBs, but I still enjoy success and I'm just here to tell you why I don't buy into drafting Reyes over Wright, Holliday, Miggy, Prince, Hanley, etc.
Amazinz wrote:I really don't agree with your premise that people shy away from Crawford. Maybe this is the case and I just don't see it because I recognize Crawford's value and draft accordingly.
I also see it as very doubtful Crawford outperforms Reyes in R or SB. Reyes has scored 120 R two seasons in a row while Crawford has hovered around 90. That's a difference of 30 R and 30 SB (maybe 20 if Reyes pulls back this year, maybe less if Crawford approached 60 again). The power is a wash, AVG and RBI in favor of Crawford however they do not offset the value gained in the R and SB. When it comes to Reyes people tend to focus on the SB but the value of the R is huge.
Bottom line IMHO is that they are close in value. Crawford is a guy who goes late 1st round to early 2nd round. Generally, the difference value-wise between players drafted at the top of the 1st and the top of the 2nd are often pretty slim. I don't think Crawford is being slighted.
My point was less of Crawford slighted, more of Reyes drafted too high for being a similar value. The runs are significant, though like I said I expect the margin to decrease.
makewayhomer wrote:I would pick Reyes #1 in my league, over any other player (granted, we count K's). it's about position scarcity and skill set.
if you don't have him in your top 5, you're simply not weighting steals correctly compared to the other categories. the relationship between steals and home runs is not 1:1. who cares if he only hits 15 hr's? 60 or 70 steals is worth a metric ton
on top of this, he plays a scarce position. the difference between him and Carl Crawford? lol. Crawford plays OF where there are a ton of awesome guys. there are exactly 3 elite ss's
Assuming 5x5, I just think you are much better off with a player who hits 50 hrs than one who'll swipe 70 bases. Take a 30 hr guy in David Wright compared to Reyes. Wright will truly help you in every category. The hrs, rbis, and avg you get from Wright easily offset the extra speed Reyes brings.
As far as the OF vs. SS argument, in a 12 team league you need 12 starting SS, you need 36 OF. If you waited until one of the last rounds to get a SS last year like Renteria or Hardy, you would have gotten simiar production as many 3rd OFs like Victorino, Jason Bay, Delmon Young.