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Re: Allright - McCab versus Ryan Howard

Postby The Artful Dodger » Fri Mar 14, 2008 1:06 pm

Ender wrote:I'd take Cabrera in roto for sure, I might take Howard in H2H though where power means more.

The difference between a .320 AVG and a .275 AVG more than makes up for the other stats in my opinion. I could also see Cabrera beating Howard by 25 runs this year. It also isn't out of the question that Cabrera is back to 8 or 9 SB as Detroit doesn't mind sending the middle of their order.


Well said, especially with M-Cab being well, more streamlined, to steal a few bags.

I'm debating about this in preparation for my H2HWS drafts when OPS is counted for in addition. M-Cab's a better bet to produce very well in 5 cats (counting OPS) and should outpace Howard in R, BA, but Howard has 50 HR potential and can carry a squad in power for weeks on end. I think the clincher for me is the fact that a top 5 quality 3B is harder to come by and you would still be sitting pretty if you grabbed a Derrek Lee/Adrian Gonzalez type.
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Re: Allright - McCab versus Ryan Howard

Postby Simulacrum » Fri Mar 14, 2008 2:04 pm

For me it's all about the average. I'll take MCab over Howard every time.
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Re: Allright - McCab versus Ryan Howard

Postby horatio » Fri Mar 14, 2008 2:08 pm

Average is important of course, but then again Howard did hit .288 in 05 and .313 in 06, everyone is acting like there's no way he'll hit better than .270, I don't watch too many Philly games over the course of the year, but is it completely unreasonable to think he could at least hit .290?
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Re: Allright - McCab versus Ryan Howard

Postby horatio » Fri Mar 14, 2008 2:12 pm

actually, looking at last year's splits perhaps .290 is a bit too optimistic.
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Re: Allright - McCab versus Ryan Howard

Postby Ender » Fri Mar 14, 2008 3:10 pm

horatio wrote:Average is important of course, but then again Howard did hit .288 in 05 and .313 in 06, everyone is acting like there's no way he'll hit better than .270, I don't watch too many Philly games over the course of the year, but is it completely unreasonable to think he could at least hit .290?


He could hit .290 but Cabrera could hit .350 too. I think Howard isn't very likely to break .280 with all those strike outs. In 2006 he was obscenely hot in the 2nd half, not sure he can repeat that. I've been saying it for a couple years now but Howard = Thome. He might have a few years where he hits .290 when he is younger but as he ages he'll setting in to that .260-.270 hitter with big power. I would imagine he has injury struggles in a few years just like Thome did as a rather large man who relies on swing very hard.
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Re: Allright - McCab versus Ryan Howard

Postby High Heater » Fri Mar 14, 2008 3:21 pm

Miggy plays in a better lineup for protection. has better dicipline and strikezone judgement increasing power that could exceed 40+ and is just entering his prime years at 25 years old playing the hot corner (thin fantasy position)

i love Howard but i'd take Miggy every time
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Re: Allright - McCab versus Ryan Howard

Postby Secret Avatar » Fri Mar 14, 2008 8:11 pm

No question in my mind: MCab ;-D

I'm surprised so many have Howard ranked higher. I think most owners get all starry-eyed over the power (which is indeed monstrous) but don't pay enough attention to the BA (which can be a killer), the sub-100 runs, and the total lack of SB). I'd take MCab's 40+ higher BA, good run totals, some steals, and position scarcity (3B compared to 1B). Grab MCab in the 1st round and you can still get an elite 1B on the comeback (Tex, Ortiz, etc.) or wait a few rounds and get the poor man's Howard (Adam Dunn).

If you take Howard in the 1st, you'll be left with a fairly weak crop of 3B.
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Re: Allright - McCab versus Ryan Howard

Postby MotorCityKitties » Fri Mar 14, 2008 8:28 pm

McCab? I didn't know he's Irish. Everyone is this weekend though huh?
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Re: Allright - McCab versus Ryan Howard

Postby BJSFAN123 » Fri Mar 14, 2008 8:34 pm

What about M-Cab vs Holliday in a league that has LF,CF,RF instead of just OF position? Who do you take?

As for M-Cab vs Howard, I'll take Cabrera...even in a H2H league, Howard can have weeks where he just kills your average.
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Re: Allright - McCab versus Ryan Howard

Postby Snakes Gould » Fri Mar 14, 2008 10:14 pm

MTUCache wrote:
I've got ADPs on them at #9 for Howard and #10 for MCab, so you're neck and neck anyway.


9 and 10? who the heck is going 2-8?
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