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Can Pedro Martinez still be an Ace?

Postby sjguzin » Wed Mar 12, 2008 7:30 am

Can he hit 200 innings? Does Santana take the pressue off?
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Re: Can Pedro Martinez still be an Ace?

Postby bigh0rt » Wed Mar 12, 2008 8:09 am

I would bet my first born that Pedro does not reach 200 innings this season. I do think that Johan will alleviate some of the pressure, and I do think Pedro will have a very nice season, but I do not think he can be relied on as a real life or fantasy Ace.
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Re: Can Pedro Martinez still be an Ace?

Postby Yoda » Wed Mar 12, 2008 9:00 am

Pedro is at a point where his decline should be noticeable. He will still be better than most #2 pitchers but there should be some velocity drop and his breaking pitches probably won't be as sharp. Durability is also a concern and he probably won't log 200+ IPs. I'd probably be very comfortable with him as my #3 pitcher.
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Re: Can Pedro Martinez still be an Ace?

Postby High Heater » Wed Mar 12, 2008 9:05 am

I agree with the others. Pedro wont hit 200 IP.... but i think he will be servicable. he'll make a good #3-#4 this yeaqr and should round out a stable fantasy rotation imo.
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Re: Can Pedro Martinez still be an Ace?

Postby Matthias » Wed Mar 12, 2008 9:08 am

Yes, he can still be an ace (see last September).

No, he won't hit 200 IP.
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Re: Can Pedro Martinez still be an Ace?

Postby stevekahuda » Wed Mar 12, 2008 10:37 am

Yoda wrote:Pedro is at a point where his decline should be noticeable. He will still be better than most #2 pitchers but there should be some velocity drop and his breaking pitches probably won't be as sharp. Durability is also a concern and he probably won't log 200+ IPs. I'd probably be very comfortable with him as my #3 pitcher.


I disagree with you on the velocity drop. If anything, his velocity will most likely increase. He's been living in the high 80s for a couple of years because of the shoulder injury he had repaired. With a full winter of conditioning, and natural healing from the surgery, that shoulder should be better than it has been in a long time. I do agree with you on the durability concern, but mostly because of that highly ridiculous, completely unnecessary toe-tap he does after every pitch.
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Re: Can Pedro Martinez still be an Ace?

Postby Yoda » Wed Mar 12, 2008 10:58 am

stevekahuda wrote:
Yoda wrote:Pedro is at a point where his decline should be noticeable. He will still be better than most #2 pitchers but there should be some velocity drop and his breaking pitches probably won't be as sharp. Durability is also a concern and he probably won't log 200+ IPs. I'd probably be very comfortable with him as my #3 pitcher.


I disagree with you on the velocity drop. If anything, his velocity will most likely increase. He's been living in the high 80s for a couple of years because of the shoulder injury he had repaired. With a full winter of conditioning, and natural healing from the surgery, that shoulder should be better than it has been in a long time. I do agree with you on the durability concern, but mostly because of that highly ridiculous, completely unnecessary toe-tap he does after every pitch.


You think he will gain velocity after the shoulder surgery? That would be news to me.
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Re: Can Pedro Martinez still be an Ace?

Postby stevekahuda » Wed Mar 12, 2008 11:52 am

Yoda wrote:
You think he will gain velocity after the shoulder surgery? That would be news to me.


I think the main problem has been that he's been pitching in a great deal of pain for a very long time. If you've ever thrown a baseball with pain in your shoulder, its very difficult (i have and it sucks). I can only imagine its just as difficult for a major league pitcher. If his shoulder is truly repaired, he should be throwing harder than the 85-86 he was throwing before the surgery.
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Re: Can Pedro Martinez still be an Ace?

Postby Yoda » Wed Mar 12, 2008 12:12 pm

stevekahuda wrote:
Yoda wrote:
You think he will gain velocity after the shoulder surgery? That would be news to me.


I think the main problem has been that he's been pitching in a great deal of pain for a very long time. If you've ever thrown a baseball with pain in your shoulder, its very difficult (i have and it sucks). I can only imagine its just as difficult for a major league pitcher. If his shoulder is truly repaired, he should be throwing harder than the 85-86 he was throwing before the surgery.


I doubt he was pitching through pain in his shoulder. That is just not something professional pitchers do. He did pitch with a frayed rotator cuff but I doubt he was throwing while he was in pain. I never heard of anyone doing that especially with someone like Pedro who seems to know when to shut it down.
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Re: Can Pedro Martinez still be an Ace?

Postby The Artful Dodger » Wed Mar 12, 2008 12:55 pm

Yoda wrote:Pedro is at a point where his decline should be noticeable. He will still be better than most #2 pitchers but there should be some velocity drop and his breaking pitches probably won't be as sharp. Durability is also a concern and he probably won't log 200+ IPs. I'd probably be very comfortable with him as my #3 pitcher.


True. I think Pedro could take a step back, not work so many innings, and possibly do what Curt Schilling has done in transitioning into more of a finesse pitcher.
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