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Postby phatjagz14 » Wed Feb 18, 2004 2:45 am

What's everyone's thoughts on these 3 players? I see Buerhle coming back to old form (or close), Thomson having a solid year under Mazzoli, and Ortiz regressing a little but still putting up solid numbers.
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Postby BobbyRoberto » Wed Feb 18, 2004 3:39 am

I don't think much of Buehrle. He just doesn't strike out enough batters. Very few pitchers can be successful striking out less than 5 per 9 innings. I think his ERA and WHIP will go up again this year, continuing a 3-year trend.

Thomson should get better, just by leaving Texas. That's a great hitter's park. Also, his bullpen didn't help him much the last two years. And Leo Mazzone will work his magic. Thomson's a solid pick.

And I don't know which Ortiz you mean? Russ, Ramon, David, Junior? (Junior Ortiz was an obscure backup catcher for the Pirates in the 80's)
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Postby phatjagz14 » Wed Feb 18, 2004 3:57 am

Well in the subject heading I said David Ortiz. Although Junior is looking better now...
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Postby BobbyRoberto » Wed Feb 18, 2004 4:05 am

Oh sorry, forgot about the heading. I agree with what you said about David, still solid but regressing from last year.

He had a great year last year, but still didn't hit lefties much: .216/.260/.414 in 116 at-bats. I don't know if Ortiz would get that many at-bats this year, since the Red Sox signed Ellis Burks, who could end up DH-ing against lefties. Burks hit lefties well last year: .322/.444/.576, and has done so for the last 3 years: .292/.384/.564.

They'd make a great platoon.
Burks versus lefties (last 3 years): .292/.384/.564
Ortiz versus righties (last 3 years): .289/.376/.573
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Postby RynMan » Wed Feb 18, 2004 5:24 am

john thomson = sleeper
i see him having a great year maybe 3.70, 16 wins

ortiz, am a little scared off by him.....he seems a lil too eratic and inconsistant
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Postby stumpak » Wed Feb 18, 2004 11:22 am

I like Thomson, even in Texas, his WHIP was OK, adn his ERA will only improve now.

As for Buerhle, there was a thread on hima few weeks back--some people like him, but most including myself said stay away, for the reasons outlined above.
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