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Re: The Steve Jeltz Top Two Hundred *PART DEUX*

Postby wiffsaber » Tue Feb 26, 2008 5:47 pm

I didn't see part 1 but are catchers supposed to be excluded from this?
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Re: The Steve Jeltz Top Two Hundred *PART DEUX*

Postby SteveJeltzPhanClub » Tue Feb 26, 2008 5:52 pm

Snakes Gould wrote:i have huge disagreements in your top 20 even and thats pretty hard to accomplish.



Really??

Let's see:

1-5
Alex Rodriguez- Best player
Hanley Ramirez- Best SS
David Wright- Next best (healthy) corner IF
Jose Reyes- Best SB guy/ Top SS
Matt Holliday- Best OF

6-10
Chase Utley- Would have been MVP if he hadn't missed 20 games last season
Jimmy Rollins- Was MVP as a result ^
Albert Pujols- Tough to drop him this far, but injury concern is legit
Miguel Cabrera- I could see Miguel being a little higher, but I'm worried about him breaking down a bit due to his weight
Johan Santana- Best pitcher just switched over to a weaker league

11-15
Ryan Howard- Potential 50 Home run guys are not in high supply
Carl Crawford- Potential 50 SB guys are not in high suppply :)
Jake Peavy- This might be a bit high for Peavy, but I feel once you get past him, securing an bona fide ace is pretty tough
Prince Fielder- See Ryan Howard
Ryan Braun- Amazing '07 season- sophmore slump concerns?

16-20
David Ortiz- Power seems to have peaked- RBI's probably have not
Lance Berkman- Stud 1B due for a bounce-back year
Brandon Phillips- Huge drop off at 2B after Phillips and Upton
Erik Bedard- Great K pitcher gets dealt to a good team from a bad team- now he should be a great W & K contributer
B.J. Upton- Would love to see another spike in terms of overall stats- he's so young, that I wouldn't bet against it...

So where are the HUGE disagreements? I have too many pitchers overvalued? I have 3 legit ACES in my top 20- that means there are 17 offensive players to go with them. Seems like a pretty fair split to me.
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Re: The Steve Jeltz Top Two Hundred *PART DEUX*

Postby SteveJeltzPhanClub » Tue Feb 26, 2008 5:53 pm

wiffsaber wrote:I didn't see part 1 but are catchers supposed to be excluded from this?


:-b - now that is a problem :-D

I'll correct that right away
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Re: The Steve Jeltz Top Two Hundred *PART DEUX*

Postby SteveJeltzPhanClub » Tue Feb 26, 2008 6:09 pm

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Snakes Gould wrote:i have huge disagreements in your top 20 even and thats pretty hard to accomplish.



I agree you'd honestly take Papelbon over Carlos Lee, Sizemore, Webb? still needs a lot of work
I thought about this one, and you are absolutely correct, I moved Papelbon below all of these guys. Thanks for pointing this out...
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Re: The Steve Jeltz Top Two Hundred *PART DEUX*

Postby Tavish » Tue Feb 26, 2008 6:55 pm

SteveJeltzPhanClub wrote:16-20
David Ortiz- Power seems to have peaked- RBI's probably have not
Lance Berkman- Stud 1B due for a bounce-back year
Brandon Phillips- Huge drop off at 2B after Phillips and Upton
Erik Bedard- Great K pitcher gets dealt to a good team from a bad team- now he should be a great W & K contributer
B.J. Upton- Would love to see another spike in terms of overall stats- he's so young, that I wouldn't bet against it...

So where are the HUGE disagreements? I have too many pitchers overvalued? I have 3 legit ACES in my top 20- that means there are 17 offensive players to go with them. Seems like a pretty fair split to me.

I don't think it a HUGE disagreement, but I would rather have Soriano, Beltran, Vlad, and Lee over Phillips, Bedard, and Upton. I don't see a big enough gap between Bedard and the next set of starters (Beckett, Sabathia, Webb, whomever else you have in that second tier) to warrant a top 20 pick. I have Teix slightly ahead of Berkman but they are pretty much interchangeable IMO.
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Re: The Steve Jeltz Top Two Hundred *PART DEUX*

Postby RyeWhiskey » Tue Feb 26, 2008 7:21 pm

SteveJeltzPhanClub wrote:
Snakes Gould wrote:i have huge disagreements in your top 20 even and thats pretty hard to accomplish.



Really??

Let's see:

1-5
Alex Rodriguez- Best player
Hanley Ramirez- Best SS
David Wright- Next best (healthy) corner IF
Jose Reyes- Best SB guy/ Top SS
Matt Holliday- Best OF

6-10
Chase Utley- Would have been MVP if he hadn't missed 20 games last season
Jimmy Rollins- Was MVP as a result ^
Albert Pujols- Tough to drop him this far, but injury concern is legit
Miguel Cabrera- I could see Miguel being a little higher, but I'm worried about him breaking down a bit due to his weight
Johan Santana- Best pitcher just switched over to a weaker league

11-15
Ryan Howard- Potential 50 Home run guys are not in high supply
Carl Crawford- Potential 50 SB guys are not in high suppply :)
Jake Peavy- This might be a bit high for Peavy, but I feel once you get past him, securing an bona fide ace is pretty tough
Prince Fielder- See Ryan Howard
Ryan Braun- Amazing '07 season- sophmore slump concerns?

16-20
David Ortiz- Power seems to have peaked- RBI's probably have not
Lance Berkman- Stud 1B due for a bounce-back year
Brandon Phillips- Huge drop off at 2B after Phillips and Upton
Erik Bedard- Great K pitcher gets dealt to a good team from a bad team- now he should be a great W & K contributer
B.J. Upton- Would love to see another spike in terms of overall stats- he's so young, that I wouldn't bet against it...

So where are the HUGE disagreements? I have too many pitchers overvalued? I have 3 legit ACES in my top 20- that means there are 17 offensive players to go with them. Seems like a pretty fair split to me.


Alright, here are some HUGE disagreements (just with the top 20):
Fielder and Braun over Peavy (and this coming from a huge Peavy fan). Not saying Peavy isn't top 20, just saying taking him ahead of these two is utter insanity.
Berkman over Sizemore and Soriano? You just touted Crawford's SB advantage and yet neglect two of the most consistent 5X5 contributors in baseball...

I had more but this would go on for a while and I'm hungry...

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Re: The Steve Jeltz Top Two Hundred *PART DEUX*

Postby SteveJeltzPhanClub » Tue Feb 26, 2008 7:56 pm

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SteveJeltzPhanClub wrote:
Snakes Gould wrote:i have huge disagreements in your top 20 even and thats pretty hard to accomplish.


Alright, here are some HUGE disagreements (just with the top 20):
Fielder and Braun over Peavy (and this coming from a huge Peavy fan). Not saying Peavy isn't top 20, just saying taking him ahead of these two is utter insanity.
Berkman over Sizemore and Soriano? You just touted Crawford's SB advantage and yet neglect two of the most consistent 5X5 contributors in baseball...

I had more but this would go on for a while and I'm hungry...

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You convinced me on Peavy- I like him a lot, but having him as the #2 rated pitcher doesn't neccasrily mean he needs to be in the top 13- dropped down to #17.

I also partially agree with you on Berkman- I like Soriano's speed and power combo, and moved him ahead of Berkman. I'm not sold that Grady's 5 tools necessarily outweigh Berkman's power potential in the end though...
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Re: The Steve Jeltz Top Two Hundred *PART DEUX*

Postby The Artful Dodger » Wed Feb 27, 2008 2:26 pm

Comments in blue:

I won't argue with the top 5 much.
1-5
Alex Rodriguez- Best player
Hanley Ramirez- Best SS
David Wright- Next best (healthy) corner IF
Jose Reyes- Best SB guy/ Top SS
Matt Holliday- Best OF

This is OK as well, but I'd rather have M-Cab over Rollins and Pujols.
6-10
Chase Utley- Would have been MVP if he hadn't missed 20 games last season
Jimmy Rollins- Was MVP as a result ^
Albert Pujols- Tough to drop him this far, but injury concern is legit
Miguel Cabrera- I could see Miguel being a little higher, but I'm worried about him breaking down a bit due to his weight
Johan Santana- Best pitcher just switched over to a weaker league

I'd knock down Santana to the 11-15 range. As you said, 50 HR hitters are a rarity and even though Santana's stats should improve, they can be replaced to a certain extent with the deep pitching pool out there. Put Howard/Fielder in the 6-10 range and in fact, you might want to put Pujols in this range and place Howard and Fielder in the 6-10 range.

What I'd recommend:

6-10
Chase Utley
Miguel Cabrera
Prince Fielder
Ryan Howard
Jimmy Rollins

11-15
Albert Pujols
Alfonso Soriano
Ryan Braun
David Ortiz
Grady Sizemore


11-15
Ryan Howard- Potential 50 Home run guys are not in high supply
Carl Crawford- Potential 50 SB guys are not in high suppply :)
Jake Peavy- This might be a bit high for Peavy, but I feel once you get past him, securing an bona fide ace is pretty tough
Prince Fielder- See Ryan Howard
Ryan Braun- Amazing '07 season- sophmore slump concerns?

I think you have to fit Sizemore, Vlad, and Beltran at the very least in the 16-20 range. I'd knock down Bedard as a more of a 4th round selection, 3rd at best. Phillips and Upton, I'd slide down to the 21-25 range.

16-20
Carl Crawford
Vladimir Guerrero
Jake Peavy
Carlos Beltran
Lance Berkman or Mark Teixeira (you can flip flop between the two)

16-20
David Ortiz- Power seems to have peaked- RBI's probably have not
Lance Berkman- Stud 1B due for a bounce-back year
Brandon Phillips- Huge drop off at 2B after Phillips and Upton
Erik Bedard- Great K pitcher gets dealt to a good team from a bad team- now he should be a great W & K contributer
B.J. Upton- Would love to see another spike in terms of overall stats- he's so young, that I wouldn't bet against it...
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Re: The Steve Jeltz Top Two Hundred *PART DEUX*

Postby Syfo-Dyas » Wed Feb 27, 2008 3:18 pm

The Artful Dodger wrote:Comments in blue:

I won't argue with the top 5 much.
1-5
Alex Rodriguez- Best player
Hanley Ramirez- Best SS
David Wright- Next best (healthy) corner IF
Jose Reyes- Best SB guy/ Top SS
Matt Holliday- Best OF

This is OK as well, but I'd rather have M-Cab over Rollins and Pujols.
6-10
Chase Utley- Would have been MVP if he hadn't missed 20 games last season
Jimmy Rollins- Was MVP as a result ^
Albert Pujols- Tough to drop him this far, but injury concern is legit
Miguel Cabrera- I could see Miguel being a little higher, but I'm worried about him breaking down a bit due to his weight
Johan Santana- Best pitcher just switched over to a weaker league

I'd knock down Santana to the 11-15 range. As you said, 50 HR hitters are a rarity and even though Santana's stats should improve, they can be replaced to a certain extent with the deep pitching pool out there. Put Howard/Fielder in the 6-10 range and in fact, you might want to put Pujols in this range and place Howard and Fielder in the 6-10 range.

What I'd recommend:

6-10
Chase Utley
Miguel Cabrera
Prince Fielder
Ryan Howard
Jimmy Rollins

11-15
Albert Pujols
Alfonso Soriano
Ryan Braun
David Ortiz
Grady Sizemore


11-15
Ryan Howard- Potential 50 Home run guys are not in high supply
Carl Crawford- Potential 50 SB guys are not in high suppply :)
Jake Peavy- This might be a bit high for Peavy, but I feel once you get past him, securing an bona fide ace is pretty tough
Prince Fielder- See Ryan Howard
Ryan Braun- Amazing '07 season- sophmore slump concerns?

I think you have to fit Sizemore, Vlad, and Beltran at the very least in the 16-20 range. I'd knock down Bedard as a more of a 4th round selection, 3rd at best. Phillips and Upton, I'd slide down to the 21-25 range.

16-20
Carl Crawford
Vladimir Guerrero
Jake Peavy
Carlos Beltran
Lance Berkman or Mark Teixeira (you can flip flop between the two)

16-20
David Ortiz- Power seems to have peaked- RBI's probably have not
Lance Berkman- Stud 1B due for a bounce-back year
Brandon Phillips- Huge drop off at 2B after Phillips and Upton
Erik Bedard- Great K pitcher gets dealt to a good team from a bad team- now he should be a great W & K contributer
B.J. Upton- Would love to see another spike in terms of overall stats- he's so young, that I wouldn't bet against it...


I would move Soriano down a bit (2 spots), and you moved down Johan Santana, that he completly disappeared. I would put him infront of Sizemore.
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Re: The Steve Jeltz Top Two Hundred *PART DEUX*

Postby The Artful Dodger » Wed Feb 27, 2008 6:40 pm

Syfo-Dyas wrote:I would move Soriano down a bit (2 spots), and you moved down Johan Santana, that he completly disappeared. I would put him infront of Sizemore.


Ach, fair enough. I would put Santana at #12 behind Pujols and in front of Soriano.
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