Snakes Gould wrote:i have huge disagreements in your top 20 even and thats pretty hard to accomplish.
Really??
Let's see:
1-5 Alex Rodriguez- Best player Hanley Ramirez- Best SS David Wright- Next best (healthy) corner IF Jose Reyes- Best SB guy/ Top SS Matt Holliday- Best OF
6-10 Chase Utley- Would have been MVP if he hadn't missed 20 games last season Jimmy Rollins- Was MVP as a result ^ Albert Pujols- Tough to drop him this far, but injury concern is legit Miguel Cabrera- I could see Miguel being a little higher, but I'm worried about him breaking down a bit due to his weight Johan Santana- Best pitcher just switched over to a weaker league
11-15 Ryan Howard- Potential 50 Home run guys are not in high supply Carl Crawford- Potential 50 SB guys are not in high suppply Jake Peavy- This might be a bit high for Peavy, but I feel once you get past him, securing an bona fide ace is pretty tough Prince Fielder- See Ryan Howard Ryan Braun- Amazing '07 season- sophmore slump concerns?
16-20 David Ortiz- Power seems to have peaked- RBI's probably have not Lance Berkman- Stud 1B due for a bounce-back year Brandon Phillips- Huge drop off at 2B after Phillips and Upton Erik Bedard- Great K pitcher gets dealt to a good team from a bad team- now he should be a great W & K contributer B.J. Upton- Would love to see another spike in terms of overall stats- he's so young, that I wouldn't bet against it...
So where are the HUGE disagreements? I have too many pitchers overvalued? I have 3 legit ACES in my top 20- that means there are 17 offensive players to go with them. Seems like a pretty fair split to me.
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SteveJeltzPhanClub wrote:16-20 David Ortiz- Power seems to have peaked- RBI's probably have not Lance Berkman- Stud 1B due for a bounce-back year Brandon Phillips- Huge drop off at 2B after Phillips and Upton Erik Bedard- Great K pitcher gets dealt to a good team from a bad team- now he should be a great W & K contributer B.J. Upton- Would love to see another spike in terms of overall stats- he's so young, that I wouldn't bet against it...
So where are the HUGE disagreements? I have too many pitchers overvalued? I have 3 legit ACES in my top 20- that means there are 17 offensive players to go with them. Seems like a pretty fair split to me.
I don't think it a HUGE disagreement, but I would rather have Soriano, Beltran, Vlad, and Lee over Phillips, Bedard, and Upton. I don't see a big enough gap between Bedard and the next set of starters (Beckett, Sabathia, Webb, whomever else you have in that second tier) to warrant a top 20 pick. I have Teix slightly ahead of Berkman but they are pretty much interchangeable IMO.
Snakes Gould wrote:i have huge disagreements in your top 20 even and thats pretty hard to accomplish.
Really??
Let's see:
1-5 Alex Rodriguez- Best player Hanley Ramirez- Best SS David Wright- Next best (healthy) corner IF Jose Reyes- Best SB guy/ Top SS Matt Holliday- Best OF
6-10 Chase Utley- Would have been MVP if he hadn't missed 20 games last season Jimmy Rollins- Was MVP as a result ^ Albert Pujols- Tough to drop him this far, but injury concern is legit Miguel Cabrera- I could see Miguel being a little higher, but I'm worried about him breaking down a bit due to his weight Johan Santana- Best pitcher just switched over to a weaker league
11-15 Ryan Howard- Potential 50 Home run guys are not in high supply Carl Crawford- Potential 50 SB guys are not in high suppply Jake Peavy- This might be a bit high for Peavy, but I feel once you get past him, securing an bona fide ace is pretty tough Prince Fielder- See Ryan Howard Ryan Braun- Amazing '07 season- sophmore slump concerns?
16-20 David Ortiz- Power seems to have peaked- RBI's probably have not Lance Berkman- Stud 1B due for a bounce-back year Brandon Phillips- Huge drop off at 2B after Phillips and Upton Erik Bedard- Great K pitcher gets dealt to a good team from a bad team- now he should be a great W & K contributer B.J. Upton- Would love to see another spike in terms of overall stats- he's so young, that I wouldn't bet against it...
So where are the HUGE disagreements? I have too many pitchers overvalued? I have 3 legit ACES in my top 20- that means there are 17 offensive players to go with them. Seems like a pretty fair split to me.
Alright, here are some HUGE disagreements (just with the top 20): Fielder and Braun over Peavy (and this coming from a huge Peavy fan). Not saying Peavy isn't top 20, just saying taking him ahead of these two is utter insanity. Berkman over Sizemore and Soriano? You just touted Crawford's SB advantage and yet neglect two of the most consistent 5X5 contributors in baseball...
I had more but this would go on for a while and I'm hungry...
Snakes Gould wrote:i have huge disagreements in your top 20 even and thats pretty hard to accomplish.
Alright, here are some HUGE disagreements (just with the top 20): Fielder and Braun over Peavy (and this coming from a huge Peavy fan). Not saying Peavy isn't top 20, just saying taking him ahead of these two is utter insanity. Berkman over Sizemore and Soriano? You just touted Crawford's SB advantage and yet neglect two of the most consistent 5X5 contributors in baseball...
I had more but this would go on for a while and I'm hungry...
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You convinced me on Peavy- I like him a lot, but having him as the #2 rated pitcher doesn't neccasrily mean he needs to be in the top 13- dropped down to #17.
I also partially agree with you on Berkman- I like Soriano's speed and power combo, and moved him ahead of Berkman. I'm not sold that Grady's 5 tools necessarily outweigh Berkman's power potential in the end though...
I won't argue with the top 5 much. 1-5 Alex Rodriguez- Best player Hanley Ramirez- Best SS David Wright- Next best (healthy) corner IF Jose Reyes- Best SB guy/ Top SS Matt Holliday- Best OF
This is OK as well, but I'd rather have M-Cab over Rollins and Pujols. 6-10 Chase Utley- Would have been MVP if he hadn't missed 20 games last season Jimmy Rollins- Was MVP as a result ^ Albert Pujols- Tough to drop him this far, but injury concern is legit Miguel Cabrera- I could see Miguel being a little higher, but I'm worried about him breaking down a bit due to his weight Johan Santana- Best pitcher just switched over to a weaker league
I'd knock down Santana to the 11-15 range. As you said, 50 HR hitters are a rarity and even though Santana's stats should improve, they can be replaced to a certain extent with the deep pitching pool out there. Put Howard/Fielder in the 6-10 range and in fact, you might want to put Pujols in this range and place Howard and Fielder in the 6-10 range.
What I'd recommend:
6-10 Chase Utley Miguel Cabrera Prince Fielder Ryan Howard Jimmy Rollins
11-15 Albert Pujols Alfonso Soriano Ryan Braun David Ortiz Grady Sizemore
11-15 Ryan Howard- Potential 50 Home run guys are not in high supply Carl Crawford- Potential 50 SB guys are not in high suppply Jake Peavy- This might be a bit high for Peavy, but I feel once you get past him, securing an bona fide ace is pretty tough Prince Fielder- See Ryan Howard Ryan Braun- Amazing '07 season- sophmore slump concerns?
I think you have to fit Sizemore, Vlad, and Beltran at the very least in the 16-20 range. I'd knock down Bedard as a more of a 4th round selection, 3rd at best. Phillips and Upton, I'd slide down to the 21-25 range.
16-20 Carl Crawford Vladimir Guerrero Jake Peavy Carlos Beltran Lance Berkman or Mark Teixeira (you can flip flop between the two)
16-20 David Ortiz- Power seems to have peaked- RBI's probably have not Lance Berkman- Stud 1B due for a bounce-back year Brandon Phillips- Huge drop off at 2B after Phillips and Upton Erik Bedard- Great K pitcher gets dealt to a good team from a bad team- now he should be a great W & K contributer B.J. Upton- Would love to see another spike in terms of overall stats- he's so young, that I wouldn't bet against it...
I won't argue with the top 5 much. 1-5 Alex Rodriguez- Best player Hanley Ramirez- Best SS David Wright- Next best (healthy) corner IF Jose Reyes- Best SB guy/ Top SS Matt Holliday- Best OF
This is OK as well, but I'd rather have M-Cab over Rollins and Pujols. 6-10 Chase Utley- Would have been MVP if he hadn't missed 20 games last season Jimmy Rollins- Was MVP as a result ^ Albert Pujols- Tough to drop him this far, but injury concern is legit Miguel Cabrera- I could see Miguel being a little higher, but I'm worried about him breaking down a bit due to his weight Johan Santana- Best pitcher just switched over to a weaker league
I'd knock down Santana to the 11-15 range. As you said, 50 HR hitters are a rarity and even though Santana's stats should improve, they can be replaced to a certain extent with the deep pitching pool out there. Put Howard/Fielder in the 6-10 range and in fact, you might want to put Pujols in this range and place Howard and Fielder in the 6-10 range.
What I'd recommend:
6-10 Chase Utley Miguel Cabrera Prince Fielder Ryan Howard Jimmy Rollins
11-15 Albert Pujols Alfonso Soriano Ryan Braun David Ortiz Grady Sizemore
11-15 Ryan Howard- Potential 50 Home run guys are not in high supply Carl Crawford- Potential 50 SB guys are not in high suppply Jake Peavy- This might be a bit high for Peavy, but I feel once you get past him, securing an bona fide ace is pretty tough Prince Fielder- See Ryan Howard Ryan Braun- Amazing '07 season- sophmore slump concerns?
I think you have to fit Sizemore, Vlad, and Beltran at the very least in the 16-20 range. I'd knock down Bedard as a more of a 4th round selection, 3rd at best. Phillips and Upton, I'd slide down to the 21-25 range.
16-20 Carl Crawford Vladimir Guerrero Jake Peavy Carlos Beltran Lance Berkman or Mark Teixeira (you can flip flop between the two)
16-20 David Ortiz- Power seems to have peaked- RBI's probably have not Lance Berkman- Stud 1B due for a bounce-back year Brandon Phillips- Huge drop off at 2B after Phillips and Upton Erik Bedard- Great K pitcher gets dealt to a good team from a bad team- now he should be a great W & K contributer B.J. Upton- Would love to see another spike in terms of overall stats- he's so young, that I wouldn't bet against it...
I would move Soriano down a bit (2 spots), and you moved down Johan Santana, that he completly disappeared. I would put him infront of Sizemore.
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Syfo-Dyas wrote:I would move Soriano down a bit (2 spots), and you moved down Johan Santana, that he completly disappeared. I would put him infront of Sizemore.
Ach, fair enough. I would put Santana at #12 behind Pujols and in front of Soriano.
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