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Re: Better Sleeper Catcher

Postby J.C.Fighter » Sun Feb 24, 2008 3:52 am

I'll just try to snag Victor . I'm not playing musical chairs again with my catchers.
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Re: Better Sleeper Catcher

Postby RedSoxNation04 » Sun Feb 24, 2008 8:58 am

You better be ready to do it then by end of the 2nd round. Some people are taking him really early this year...
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Re: Better Sleeper Catcher

Postby GotowarMissAgnes » Sun Feb 24, 2008 9:04 am

Snakes Gould wrote:
Ender wrote:Ruiz hit 6 HR and had 6 SB last year with 42 R, and 54 RBI.

Soto is going to get you what, maybe like 14 HR, 1 SB and 50 R/50 RBI assuming he doesn't just tank.

Towles will get you like 8 HR, 7 SB with 50 R, 50 RBI.

You can get Ruiz like 6 rounds later, he has less downside and probably realistically has the same upside since this is his 2nd full year and you expect improvement.


im confused? arent there about 30 catchers who can get you 6 hr with 42 r and 54 rbi and hit under .270?


I'm not sure that's Ruiz is all that great, but using the composite projections from MLB and Buser's data on what it takes to win, he projects as the 14th best catcher. He's young, and in a good ballpark, with a team that seems to have committed to him as a full-time starter. Look at some of the guys currently ahead of him in the yahoo draft adp:
Mathis, Napoli, Suzuki, Treanor, Buck, Paulino, Bennett, LoDuca, Rabelo, Bard, Doumit.all of them project worse than Ruiz using those data sources. If I need a second catcher or a decent back-up, I'd much rather have Ruiz.
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Re: Better Sleeper Catcher

Postby wkelly91 » Sun Feb 24, 2008 9:19 am

Late "sleepers" would only make sennse in roto leagues where they require two catchers. If it is a standard 23 round draft...what is considered late? Here are a few listed and some draft averages:

148.82 Jarrod Saltalamacchia
171.67 Ivan Rodriguez
188.27 Geovany Soto
208.64 Jason Varitek
213.0 Bengie Molina
229.0 A.J. Pierzinski
240.55 Ramon Hernandez
259.64 Carlos Ruiz
269.27 Ronny Paulino
270.91 J.R. Towles
283.18 Paul Lo Duca
286.55 Mike Napoli
321.0 Johnny Estrada
322.09 Ryan Doumit
344.18 Chris Snyder
376.45 Dioner Navarro

Clearly Salty and Soto will not be late rounders unless it is a single catcher league. If it is a keeper league I like Towles. Doumit and Paulino should help in BA. Napoli in Homeruns. Check out Navarros second half numbers.
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Re: Better Sleeper Catcher

Postby Ender » Sun Feb 24, 2008 11:08 am

Snakes Gould wrote:
Ender wrote:Ruiz hit 6 HR and had 6 SB last year with 42 R, and 54 RBI.

Soto is going to get you what, maybe like 14 HR, 1 SB and 50 R/50 RBI assuming he doesn't just tank.

Towles will get you like 8 HR, 7 SB with 50 R, 50 RBI.

You can get Ruiz like 6 rounds later, he has less downside and probably realistically has the same upside since this is his 2nd full year and you expect improvement.


im confused? arent there about 30 catchers who can get you 6 hr with 42 r and 54 rbi and hit under .270?


I dont' expect Ruiz to just repeat last year, he is a young catcher in a good park and a good lineup. Also keep in mind the 6-7 SB which are equal to 6-7 more HR's. If soto is going to hit 15 HR's and Ruiz hits 9 HR, 6 SB they come out equal if everything else ends up the same.
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Re: Better Sleeper Catcher

Postby kingmike74 » Fri Mar 07, 2008 5:14 pm

Towles is the guy to target late if you start 2. He will hit around .280 and steal 10 bags. The 10 HR and 50 + RBI will be a bonus for a second catcher. Heck, I think in a 12 man league that starts only 1 catcher, Towles could make a nice #1.

Salty is too wild a swinger for me. Soto is nice but will be nothing copared to JR. Soto's AVG. might dip to around .265 or so and since I only draft guys who hit .275 or higher, he is a no no for me.

I would only target Ruiz in a 2 catcher league and only after round 20.

I think McCann will flat blow up this year. I am talking 25 HR, 90 RBI and an avg. around .295. I got him pegged right at VM level.

Also, Josh Bard is a deal for a second catcher that does not get drafted in mock after mock I am in. Likewise with Lo Duca
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Re: Better Sleeper Catcher

Postby BJSFAN123 » Fri Mar 07, 2008 5:27 pm

I ended up taking Bengie Molina with like my 18th round pick in my 12 team...

Anyone else agree he is a good guy to target late? Back to back 19 hr seasons, and he won't kill your avg.

He's also batting clean-up for the Giants, should be nice for RBI

Soto/Salty went too early for me to take...I think Soto went in the 12th, and Salty also in the 12th.


Go for Molina...seriously

Russell Martin went in the 3rd round in my draft...I think that is wayyy too early, I would stay away from him. He will NOT get 20 steals again, I think he suprised catchers with his stealing early on..but they soon learned he was a threat. Look at his post All-Star stats - 5 SB, 6 CS

Another catcher you could get in like the last round is Ramon Hernandez, he could end up giving you almost 20 hrs
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Re: Better Sleeper Catcher

Postby Havok1517 » Fri Mar 07, 2008 6:04 pm

If we're going by pure talent then Montero, Iannetta, and even Mathis could be great sleepers. They are discounted because there are questions regarding their playing time but all are on good teams and play in great to good offensive parks. Also, all 3 are more talented than the catchers currently ahead of them on the depth chart. Will they produce? Maybe. Are they more than capable of far outperforming their draft slots? YES!
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Re: Better Sleeper Catcher

Postby RedSoxNation04 » Fri Mar 07, 2008 7:32 pm

BJSFAN123 wrote:I ended up taking Bengie Molina with like my 18th round pick in my 12 team...

Anyone else agree he is a good guy to target late? Back to back 19 hr seasons, and he won't kill your avg.

He's also batting clean-up for the Giants, should be nice for RBI

Soto/Salty went too early for me to take...I think Soto went in the 12th, and Salty also in the 12th.


Go for Molina...seriously

Russell Martin went in the 3rd round in my draft...I think that is wayyy too early, I would stay away from him. He will NOT get 20 steals again, I think he suprised catchers with his stealing early on..but they soon learned he was a threat. Look at his post All-Star stats - 5 SB, 6 CS

Another catcher you could get in like the last round is Ramon Hernandez, he could end up giving you almost 20 hrs

I think Hernandez is a great recommendation. When healthy, he's easily capable of .280/18/75/65
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Re: Better Sleeper Catcher

Postby davidmarver » Fri Mar 07, 2008 8:09 pm

I think Bard's a solid option, but he'll probably only see 3/5ths of the starts this season. However, if you have deep benches, platooning Bard with Barrett could produce pretty solid results. My best guess is that Bard will catch Peavy, Young, and Wolf with Barrett catching the ex-Cubs arms (Maddux, Prior -- when healthy -- and Rusch, the likely 5 before Prior returns).

Combined, they're expected to put up:
BJames	AB	H	HR	R	RBI	.AVG	SB
Barrett 382 100 12 42 48 .262 1
Bard 326 93 6 35 44 .285 0
708 193 18 77 92 .272 1

CHONE AB H HR R RBI .AVG SB
Barrett 371 97 11 45 47 .261 1
Bard 365 98 7 46 42 .268 0
736 195 18 91 89 .265 1

Marcel AB H HR R RBI .AVG SB
Barrett 385 104 13 45 51 .270 2
Bard 396 114 9 46 54 .288 2
781 218 22 91 105 .279 4

ZiPS AB H HR R RBI .AVG SB
Barrett 335 85 8 32 36 .254 1
Bard 317 89 5 34 42 .281 0
652 174 13 66 78 .267 1

Granted, you wouldn't get the full playing time of both, but you will get a reasonably decent catcher if you successfully platoon the two in 2008.
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