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Re: Chase Utley lite

Postby pat189 » Wed Feb 20, 2008 6:32 pm

My prediction

.315/23 HR/106 RBI/96 runs/ 5 SB

Very Solid numbers, he's a potential 30 HR hitter...just don't think he's going to get there this season, but I do think he will hit more.
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Re: Chase Utley lite

Postby bigh0rt » Wed Feb 20, 2008 6:50 pm

RynMan wrote:I've made this point before, but I'll say it again.

If you expect anything close to .290/25/90/90/5 , I'd rather take Jeff Kent 15 rounds later.

If he ran at all, this would be a different conversation.

I agree, in redraft leagues, I am all over Jeff Kent. However, in a keeper, I'll take the 24 year old who's doing it... also, 7 or so Rounds is more like it ;-)
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Re: Chase Utley lite

Postby RynMan » Wed Feb 20, 2008 7:03 pm

bigh0rt wrote:I agree, in redraft leagues, I am all over Jeff Kent. However, in a keeper, I'll take the 24 year old who's doing it... also, 7 or so Rounds is more like it ;-)


No no, I said 15 and I'm sticking to it.

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Re: Chase Utley lite

Postby Secret Avatar » Wed Feb 20, 2008 7:03 pm

Did we all forget that Cano hit 342 with 5 SB in only 120 games in 2006? Also check out his second half in 2007: 343-13-57-53. When a 24 year old guy has shown that incredible BA with decent power, ya gotta pay attention. Not saying he's a 340 hitter but the track record is there for him make a run at 325-25-100-100 with 5-8 steals.
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Re: Chase Utley lite

Postby Yoda » Wed Feb 20, 2008 7:08 pm

Wow lots of Cano man love around here. I am just not a believer.
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Re: Chase Utley lite

Postby Field » Wed Feb 20, 2008 9:21 pm

Yoda wrote:Wow lots of Cano man love around here. I am just not a believer.


Same. It's also real a detriment to a Roto team if you second baseman has basically no speed unless you grab one of the elite steals guys early. I see Cano pretty much duplicating his numbers from last year, maybe with a slightly higher average. If he hit in the 2 hole it would be a different story.
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Re: Chase Utley lite

Postby MTUCache » Wed Feb 20, 2008 10:56 pm

jake_harv88 wrote:Building your positions around typical stats is a poor way to draft in my opinion. You should be able to account for your needs no matter what your position-stats break down is...


Oh, don't get me wrong, I think it's absolutely imperative to be able to over-come this positional/statistical dependancy and form a well-rounded team based on whichever value-players are there for you at the time. That I completely agree with.

I'm just saying, when all else fails, defaulting to positional "norms" makes things easier for anyone. Everyone expects power out of their CI and two OF positions. People expect speed/runs out of their MI and CF positions. It's where the bulk of the talent is. Yes, there is value to be found deviating from this, but it takes a lot more work during the draft (and maybe a bit of luck).

All else being equal, I'd like to be in the half of the league who is getting 20+SB out of my starting 2B, rather than a .320 average and less than 5 steals. I personally feel like being in that half of the league gives me an advantage over the other half. Obviously it's nothing that a savvy owner can't overcome (or a poor owner can't fumble), but it's a distinct trend that I've found.
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Re: Chase Utley lite

Postby Lofunzo » Fri Feb 22, 2008 3:23 am

Yoda wrote:Wow lots of Cano man love around here. I am just not a believer.


I guess that you don't get the YES Network because this kid is the real deal. When he gets moved to the 3-hole in 2009, watch out.
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Re: Chase Utley lite

Postby High Heater » Fri Feb 22, 2008 7:53 am

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RynMan wrote:I've made this point before, but I'll say it again.

If you expect anything close to .290/25/90/90/5 , I'd rather take Jeff Kent 15 rounds later.

If he ran at all, this would be a different conversation.


I agree with this. I think Cano obviously has the upside over Kent, but in a redraft, the value per draft position favors Kent by a wide margin. And I don't even want to mention Kelly Johnson, who I seem to be scooping cheap this year.


I'm starting to think Kelly Johnson is a huge steal or will be one of this years biggest. with him being platooned some at the end and escobar. wouldnt surprise me at all to see him put up a .280-.290 clip with 20-25 hr's and 10-15 steals this year. he's got a really good bat and is locked into the 2B gig with escboar shifting to SS.
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Re: Chase Utley lite

Postby BitterDodgerFan » Fri Feb 22, 2008 12:04 pm

Lofunzo wrote:When he gets moved to the 3-hole in 2009, watch out.


that's why he's the 2B to have in the keeper leagues, but for this year alone (redraft leagues) you can make an argument that kinsler should be taken before him.

one thing for sure is he will never have speed. even in the minors, he rarely stole bases.
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