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Postby Yoda » Thu Feb 14, 2008 3:30 pm

Specter: Belichick Was Taping Since 2000

By LAURIE KELLMAN – 17 hours ago

WASHINGTON (AP) — Bill Belichick has been illegally taping opponents' defensive signals since he became the New England Patriots' coach in 2000, according to Sen. Arlen Specter, who said NFL commissioner Roger Goodell told him that during a meeting Wednesday.

"There was confirmation that there has been taping since 2000, when Coach Belichick took over," Specter said.

Specter said Goodell gave him that information during the 1-hour, 40-minute meeting, which was requested by Specter so the commissioner could explain his reasons for destroying the Spygate tapes and notes.

"There were a great many questions answered by Commissioner Goodell," Specter, the senior Republican on the Senate Judiciary Committee, told reporters after the meeting. "I found a lot of questions unanswerable because of the tapes and notes had been destroyed."

Goodell said Belichick told him he believed the taping was legal; Goodell said he did not concur.

"He said that's always been his interpretation since he's been the head coach," the commissioner said. "We are going to agree to disagree on the facts."

Specter, from Pennsylvania, wants to talk to other league officials about what exactly was taped and which games may have been compromised.

"We have a right to have honest football games," he said.

Goodell noted that "we were the ones that disclosed" the Patriots' illegal taping of the New York Jets' defensive signals in Week 1 of last season. Further, Goodell said, they had an admission by Belichick.

"I have nothing to hide," Goodell said.

Goodell also told Specter that that he doesn't regret destroying the Spygate tapes or the notes.

"I think it was the right thing to do," Goodell said.

Still, Specter wants to know why penalties were imposed on Belichick before the full extent of the wrongdoing was known and the tapes destroyed in a two-week span. Asked if he thinks there was a coverup, Specter demurred.

"There was an enormous amount of haste," Specter said.

He scoffed at the reasons Goodell gave for destroying the tapes and notes, particularly about trying to keep them out of competitors' hands and because Belichick had admitted to the taping.

"What's that got to do with it? There's an admission of guilt, you preserve the evidence," Specter said. As for keeping the tapes out of the hands of others: "All you have to do is lock up the tapes."

Belichick was fined $500,000 and the team was fined $250,000 because of the Spygate incident. The Patriots also forfeited a first-round draft pick.

Specter has questioned the quality of the NFL's investigation into the matter and raised the possibility of congressional hearings if he wasn't satisfied with Goodell's answers. Specter also raised the threat of Congress canceling the league's antitrust exemption and reiterated that in the meeting with Goodell.

Goodell also said he has not heard from Matt Walsh, the former Patriots employee who performed some videotaping duties for the team.

Walsh told The Associated Press last week during the Pro Bowl in Hawaii that he couldn't talk about allegations that he taped a walkthrough practice by the St. Louis Rams before the 2002 Super Bowl. New England, a two-touchdown underdog, won that game 20-17.

Goodell said he has offered Walsh a deal whereby "he has to tell the truth and he has to return anything he took improperly" in return for indemnity. Specter said he, too, wanted to talk to Walsh and perhaps offer a different deal.

Goodell also said he reserves the right to reopen the investigation if more information is uncovered.


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Postby Mookie4ever » Thu Feb 14, 2008 4:12 pm

I saw some of the Clemens/MacNamee hearing yesterday, and now this. With the war in the middle east, the subprime mortgage mess, the upcoming recession, eduction problems etc. is anyone offended that Congressmen and Senators are wasting their time and this crap just so that they can get more camera time?

There should be a movement to convince people to not vote for Specter or any elected official involved in the steroids investigation.
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Postby BronXBombers51 » Thu Feb 14, 2008 4:16 pm

Mookie4ever wrote:I saw some of the Clemens/MacNamee hearing yesterday, and now this. With the war in the middle east, the subprime mortgage mess, the upcoming recession, eduction problems etc. is anyone offended that Congressmen and Senators are wasting their time and this crap just so that they can get more camera time?

There should be a movement to convince people to not vote for Specter or any elected official involved in the steroids investigation.


I definitely agree that the government should not be involved. I also wish that these sports did a better job at policing themselves, though. :-[
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Re: cheaters since 2000

Postby Yoda » Thu Feb 14, 2008 4:21 pm

Mookie4ever wrote:I saw some of the Clemens/MacNamee hearing yesterday, and now this. With the war in the middle east, the subprime mortgage mess, the upcoming recession, eduction problems etc. is anyone offended that Congressmen and Senators are wasting their time and this crap just so that they can get more camera time?

There should be a movement to convince people to not vote for Specter or any elected official involved in the steroids investigation.


It's a complete waste of resources I agree and I've been saying this since the beginning in regards to steroids.

However, if they are cracking down on cheating in baseball then they should do the same for football.
By the way it couldn't have happened to a nicer and more classy guy than Belichick

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Postby knapplc » Thu Feb 14, 2008 4:30 pm

Congress has the ability to multi-task. These are billion-dollar corporations that each have huge impacts on our economy. "Nothing better to do?" Look at the collapse of the NHL, and the literally dozens of dollars in lost tax revenue that cost the government. Now imagine if that happened to a real sport.

No, this is stuff that congress should be looking into. ;-)
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Postby bigken117 » Thu Feb 14, 2008 9:13 pm

If people keep Bonds, Clemens, McGwire, etc out of the hall for cheating, then I hope they take away all those SB trophies from the Pats.


Should they take away all of Clemens' WS rings and Cy's? And Bonds' MVP's? :-? It's good to know that you care more about the integrity of the game though.
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Postby BronXBombers51 » Thu Feb 14, 2008 9:29 pm

bigken117 wrote:
If people keep Bonds, Clemens, McGwire, etc out of the hall for cheating, then I hope they take away all those SB trophies from the Pats.


Should they take away all of Clemens' WS rings and Cy's? And Bonds' MVP's? :-? It's good to know that you care more about the integrity of the game though.


I don't want to speak for him, but I think he was just saying that he wants them to be treated equally. That is, if Bonds and Clemens are going to suffer major consequences for steroid use, then the Patriots need to suffer major consequences for cheating as well.
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Postby Yoda » Thu Feb 14, 2008 9:32 pm

BronXBombers51 wrote:
bigken117 wrote:
If people keep Bonds, Clemens, McGwire, etc out of the hall for cheating, then I hope they take away all those SB trophies from the Pats.


Should they take away all of Clemens' WS rings and Cy's? And Bonds' MVP's? :-? It's good to know that you care more about the integrity of the game though.


I don't want to speak for him, but I think he was just saying that he wants them to be treated equally. That is, if Bonds and Clemens are going to suffer major consequences for steroid use, then the Patriots need to suffer major consequences for cheating as well.


Yes. Absolutely correct. Everyone needs to be treated equally.

Not only that, people are arguing that steroids ruined the sport. I think an entire team including the coach cheating is worse for a sport than a handful of players taking steroids. Spygate is far worse than steroids.
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Postby AussieDodger » Thu Feb 14, 2008 9:49 pm

Hooray! You guys got your own morality thread!
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