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Postby Giambis » Wed Feb 06, 2008 10:37 am

Hey guys,
As I'm sure most of you know, yahoo leagues opened last night. They've added several new stats, including quality starts, one I know a lot of people wanted. For those leagues that are making the change, I was wondering which players' values change the most in a league using quality starts instead of wins. I'm looking for guys who not only will see a spike in value, but also guys whose value will drop because of the change.
I see two categories of players: (1) guys who play on bad teams who will get a boost from not having to rely on their offensve (e.g. Cain and Lincecum) and (2) guys who throw a lot of quality starts year to year but have been hiding under the radar because they don't get the wins. Obviously, an analysis of guys on the other side of the fence would show us the guys who take a hit in value.

I'd like to hear people's thoughts. Thanks in advance.
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Re: Quality Starts

Postby J35J » Wed Feb 06, 2008 1:00 pm

Just based on last year.....

Matt Cain - 15 more QS than Wins (22/7)
Gil Meche - 14 more QS than Wins (23/9)
Dan Haren - 13 more QS than Wins (28/15)
Ian Snell - 13 more QS than Wins (22/9)
Bronson Arroyo - 13 more QS than Wins (22/9)
John Smoltz - 12 more QS than Wins (26/14)
Jon Garland - 11 more QS than Wins (21/10)

Chad Billingsley - had 3 more Wins than QS (9/12)
Carlos Zambrano - same (18/18)
Felix Hernandez - 1 more QS than Wins (15/14)
Oliver Perez - 1 more QS than Wins
Cole Hamels - 1 more QS than Wins (16/15)
Chien-Ming_Wang - 1 more QS than Wins (20/19)
John Maine - 2 more QS than Wins (17/15)
Jeff Francis - 2 more QS than Wins (19/17)
Kelvim Escobar - 2 more QS than Wins (20/18)
Justin Verlander - 3 more QS than Wins (21/18)
Brandon Webb - 4 more QS than Wins (22/18)
Aaron Harrang - 4 more QS than Wins (20/16)
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Re: Quality Starts

Postby Ender » Wed Feb 06, 2008 1:10 pm

It helps good pitchers on bad teams. QS is not a stat that shows strong correlation year to year (Capuano led the league in it one year and was horrible the next as an example) so it isn't really an easy to predict one other than good pitchers who go deeper in games will be better at it overall.
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Re: Quality Starts

Postby bigh0rt » Wed Feb 06, 2008 2:06 pm

J35J wrote:Chad Billingsley - had 3 more Wins than QS (9/12)

Had 4 Wins out of the Bullpen, so had 8 Wins as a SP, and 9 QS. ;-)
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Re: Quality Starts

Postby High Heater » Wed Feb 06, 2008 3:06 pm

it's an ok stat but will how many leagues would use that?
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Re: Quality Starts

Postby MTUCache » Wed Feb 06, 2008 3:30 pm

High Heater wrote:it's an ok stat but will how many leagues would use that?


Honestly, I think a lot of them will...

A lot of people out there in standard 5x5 leagues would love to add another offensive averaging category into the mix (either OPS/OBS/SLG/etc), and have been looking for a decent pitching counting category to offset that besides just IP(giving both offense and pitching a 4/2 mix).

I would definitely consider using this in a 6x6 league.
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Re: Quality Starts

Postby Grounded Polo » Wed Feb 06, 2008 3:34 pm

High Heater wrote:it's an ok stat but will how many leagues would use that?


Quality Starts and Holds are great stats to make it 7x7, I'm using QS in one of my leagues already. :-D
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Re: Quality Starts

Postby Tavish » Wed Feb 06, 2008 3:58 pm

Grounded Polo wrote:
High Heater wrote:it's an ok stat but will how many leagues would use that?


Quality Starts and Holds are great stats to make it 7x7, I'm using QS in one of my leagues already. :-D

So you use Wins and QS?
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Re: Quality Starts

Postby Yoda » Wed Feb 06, 2008 4:09 pm

I really like the stat. It increases the value of good starting pitchers (which is good I think) and separate them further from mediocre to bad ones. It also diminishes the value of MRs and bad pitchers on good teams.

I guess if you want MRs to have some value you can use Holds as a category. Personally, I would just replace W with QS.
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Re: Quality Starts

Postby Grounded Polo » Wed Feb 06, 2008 4:36 pm

Tavish wrote:
Grounded Polo wrote:
High Heater wrote:it's an ok stat but will how many leagues would use that?


Quality Starts and Holds are great stats to make it 7x7, I'm using QS in one of my leagues already. :-D

So you use Wins and QS?


The existence of Matt Cain makes them not redundant.
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