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Which NY Team Made the Better Long-Term Signing???

Yanks Sign A-Rod
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Mets Sign Santana
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Re: Which NY Team Made the Better Signing

Postby bigh0rt » Sat Feb 02, 2008 3:43 pm

For those citing that the Yankees didn't get any better with their A-Rod signing, you must consider the implications had they not signed him. Assessment must be roster w/ signing vs. w/o. You cannot, however, use the argument that the signing "didn't make them any better" against the Yankees.
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Re: Which NY Team Made the Better Signing

Postby thedude » Sat Feb 02, 2008 3:52 pm

bigh0rt wrote:For those citing that the Yankees didn't get any better with their A-Rod signing, you must consider the implications had they not signed him. Assessment must be roster w/ signing vs. w/o. You cannot, however, use the argument that the signing "didn't make them any better" against the Yankees.



That is a very good point. Both the Yankees and Red Sox considered letting their free agent third basemen walk, but when confronted with the dearth of options available at the conner infield positions both teams quickly resigned their guy. A-rod was the primary reason for Yankees evening making the playoffs last year, losing him would mean quite a regression.
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Re: Which NY Team Made the Better Signing

Postby RedSoxNation04 » Sat Feb 02, 2008 4:13 pm

Matthias wrote:With Santana, the Mets move to favorites in the NL East.

Without A-Rod, the Yankees still have a high-scoring offense and have almost the same chance of making the postseason.

Santana is the better signing.

Besides, he, at least, has never put those gay highlights in his hair.

I have to digress from the serious debate here to laugh out loud at this one! :-D
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Re: Which NY Team Made the Better Signing

Postby Tarquin » Sat Feb 02, 2008 4:23 pm

I mentioned this in the other thread also. Basically, in Santana's case, you have to consider the inflation of pitchers contracts over the past few years. Carlos Silva and Gil meche got $12 million per year deals. They are at best 2nd or 3rd starters with 3.5-4.0 ERA best case scenario.

If santana produces at his current level for 3-4 more years, then drops down to the average, he will still be worth the money because by 2012 and 2013 pitchers like Gil Meche will probably be making $15-20 million per year also. I doubt Santana will go from a dominant pitcher with 2.5 ERA to a worthless pitcher with 4.5 ERA in 7 years, its more likely he will gain maybe 1 run onto his ERA by the end of his contract period.

Injury is the only concern but santana has never been on the DL and looks like he is extremely durable.

A-Rod's contract is also worth is for the Yankee's I think, because they will make alot of money when Arod chases Bonds HR record. His production will probably dip significantly by the end of his contract, but he will still be useful from a business standpoint.
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Re: Which NY Team Made the Better Signing

Postby KCollins1304 » Sat Feb 02, 2008 5:06 pm

Tarquin wrote:I mentioned this in the other thread also. Basically, in Santana's case, you have to consider the inflation of pitchers contracts over the past few years. Carlos Silva and Gil meche got $12 million per year deals. They are at best 2nd or 3rd starters with 3.5-4.0 ERA best case scenario.

If santana produces at his current level for 3-4 more years, then drops down to the average, he will still be worth the money because by 2012 and 2013 pitchers like Gil Meche will probably be making $15-20 million per year also. I doubt Santana will go from a dominant pitcher with 2.5 ERA to a worthless pitcher with 4.5 ERA in 7 years, its more likely he will gain maybe 1 run onto his ERA by the end of his contract period.

Injury is the only concern but santana has never been on the DL and looks like he is extremely durable.

A-Rod's contract is also worth is for the Yankee's I think, because they will make alot of money when Arod chases Bonds HR record. His production will probably dip significantly by the end of his contract, but he will still be useful from a business standpoint.


Inflation isn't just for pitchers, offensive players are increasing just the same. By the end of A-Rod's contract the money he is earning will be just above the average FA 3rd baseman. Santana being a pitcher has a lot more chance of injury and significant decline by the end of his contract.
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Re: Which NY Team Made the Better Signing

Postby mweir145 » Sat Feb 02, 2008 5:07 pm

It's ARod by far, especially when you consider all they had to give up to get him was money (something that isn't a problem for them). I really think he was the difference between them being a playoff team or not last year.
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Re: Which NY Team Made the Better Signing

Postby Tavish » Sat Feb 02, 2008 5:34 pm

Inflation isn't going to bring either of these contracts to be on par with the mid-range pitchers/3B in 7-10 years. These will still be high end deals similar to what Jeter, Manny, and A-Rod signed 7-8 years ago.
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Re: Which NY Team Made the Better Signing

Postby Matthias » Sat Feb 02, 2008 7:34 pm

mweir145 wrote:It's ARod by far, especially when you consider all they had to give up to get him was money (something that isn't a problem for them). I really think he was the difference between them being a playoff team or not last year.

He was, no question about it.

But last year was a bad year in the Bronx: I'd bet even if you took out A-Rod and put in league-average 3B, the Yankees would still project out to make the postseason. And that's why I think Santana was the more important, if not better, signing: the Mets significantly increase their odds of making the post-season by signing him.
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Re: Which NY Team Made the Better Signing

Postby sblinyy » Sat Feb 02, 2008 8:47 pm

Matthias wrote:
mweir145 wrote:It's ARod by far, especially when you consider all they had to give up to get him was money (something that isn't a problem for them). I really think he was the difference between them being a playoff team or not last year.

He was, no question about it.

But last year was a bad year in the Bronx: I'd bet even if you took out A-Rod and put in league-average 3B, the Yankees would still project out to make the postseason. And that's why I think Santana was the more important, if not better, signing: the Mets significantly increase their odds of making the post-season by signing him.


Okay, I'm surprised more people don't respect what a-rod did last year for the yankees. He sucked balls in the playoffs as usual, but in my mind I dont think the yankees would have been in the playoffs last year without him. Bottom line, Arod carried the yankees into the playoffs, so he is the most important part the team and you have to resign him.
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Re: Which NY Team Made the Better Signing

Postby HOOTIE » Sat Feb 02, 2008 9:13 pm

Matthias wrote:But last year was a bad year in the Bronx: I'd bet even if you took out A-Rod and put in league-average 3B, the Yankees would still project out to make the postseason.


Not really. NYY won wildcard by 8 games. Arod had 39 win shares (worth 13 wins), versus the 16th best 3b in win shares, Glaus with 14, (worth 4.67 wins). Arod was probably around 8-9 wins over the average 3b last year.
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