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Postby Mr.Cocky! » Mon Feb 16, 2004 10:43 pm

These are the top five hitters parks.
1.Colorado
2.Texas
3.Montreal
4.Arizona
5.Houston
So yeah, Montreal is a great hitters park. Again I say Vlad will be a 35/12 guy for the Angels this season, and very similar to Manny this season. The big difference will be Manny can be had in round 2 instead of #2 or #3.
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Postby Erboes » Mon Feb 16, 2004 11:51 pm

Brendo wrote:1.Montreal is a hitter's park...look at the stats...puerto rico is even more (even if he didn't play there that much last year

2. no offense to Garrett Anderson, but he had as much lineup protection in Montreal.....Jose Guillen has had one, count em, one good year, and Troy Glaus is more fragile than an American Idol contestant's ego

3. i agree here, dude swings at everything, but still, it could have a (minimal) impact

4. No question he's still more valuable than Abreau, but what made Vlad a top-3 pick was 35+stolen bases....if they go away, so does the value of picking him there again


I'm kind of iritated by this post because it's stretching things a bit. For one thing, who's the best protection Guerrero had in Montreal, Vidro? I'm not big on the whole protection thing, but saying he had the same amount in Montreal is ridiculous.

The second thing is, Glaus has had one injury, and that doesn't make a player "fragile".

Guerrero does not swing at everything anymore. He's become much more patient and his walks have risen to where he's much above average.

And Guerrero wasn't picked top three only because of steals. Even if he's only stealing 10 bases he's a top three pick, or at worse a top five. I do agree with you that Anaheim is not as good of a hitter's park, but I really don't think it's going to matter much for him. I think if you watched his games last season when he came back you'll know what I mean.
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Postby GSes » Tue Feb 17, 2004 12:03 am

Guerrero destroyed balls. He is scary. I remeber seeing Vlad hit one ball to like the third deck. Amazing.

I don't remeber who it as but a SP somewhere was asked are there any hiters you are scared of. And he said Vlad Guerrero, when he comes up to the plate I know I'm in trouble and I start shaking or something like that.

Point is Vlad is one of the most feared hitters in the game. Erobes is correct.
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Postby KolbSaves » Tue Feb 17, 2004 12:09 am

Even the aging Barry Bonds managed to swipe 7 bags last season. He made sure to pick his spots because stealing a bag could make him sore for the next day or so
Those sbs were only for him to reach his 500 steals mark. He won't be stealing ever again.

I think Vlad will get 15-17 which would put him at 5th or 6th in terms of hitters.
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Postby Erboes » Tue Feb 17, 2004 12:14 am

KolbSaves wrote:
Even the aging Barry Bonds managed to swipe 7 bags last season. He made sure to pick his spots because stealing a bag could make him sore for the next day or so
Those sbs were only for him to reach his 500 steals mark. He won't be stealing ever again.

I think Vlad will get 15-17 which would put him at 5th or 6th in terms of hitters.


I don't know. I got him hitting .326-121-37-131-18, which puts him at $42 and tied for first with Pujols as the best hitter. We'll see, but I think the reports of his demise have been greatly exaggerated.
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Postby KolbSaves » Tue Feb 17, 2004 12:18 am

I got .328-110r-38-125-17

6th best hitter so probably 7th or 8th pick

I hope no one from my league is in here ;-)
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Postby Erboes » Tue Feb 17, 2004 12:23 am

KolbSaves wrote:I got .328-110r-38-125-17

6th best hitter so probably 7th or 8th pick

I hope no one from my league is in here ;-)


How'd you figure "6th best hitter"?
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Postby maioriel » Tue Feb 17, 2004 12:24 am

Erboes wrote:
KolbSaves wrote:
Even the aging Barry Bonds managed to swipe 7 bags last season. He made sure to pick his spots because stealing a bag could make him sore for the next day or so
Those sbs were only for him to reach his 500 steals mark. He won't be stealing ever again.

I think Vlad will get 15-17 which would put him at 5th or 6th in terms of hitters.


I don't know. I got him hitting .326-121-37-131-18, which puts him at $42 and tied for first with Pujols as the best hitter. We'll see, but I think the reports of his demise have been greatly exaggerated.


I agree with those numbers except stolen base's: .320+ 110+ 35+ 125+ 5+

I doubt Vlad will be running much this year, if at all.
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Postby KolbSaves » Tue Feb 17, 2004 12:36 am

Erboes wrote:
KolbSaves wrote:I got .328-110r-38-125-17

6th best hitter so probably 7th or 8th pick

I hope no one from my league is in here ;-)


How'd you figure "6th best hitter"?


xeifrank's program, incorporates replacement value, I used the util column, vlad was very very slightly behind nomar

personally I'd take him ahead of nomar, 5th hitter, 6th overall pick
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Postby Erboes » Tue Feb 17, 2004 12:39 am

KolbSaves wrote:
Erboes wrote:
KolbSaves wrote:I got .328-110r-38-125-17

6th best hitter so probably 7th or 8th pick

I hope no one from my league is in here ;-)


How'd you figure "6th best hitter"?


xeifrank's program, incorporates replacement value, I used the util column, vlad was very very slightly behind nomar

personally I'd take him ahead of nomar, 5th hitter, 6th overall pick


Slightly behind Nomar? Damn, that's funny. Are they your projections for Nomar or yours?
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