Does anyone like what they are doing here? Trading away all prospects to try and win now? Agree or disagree?
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05worldserieschamps wrote:Does anyone like what they are doing here? Trading away all prospects to try and win now? Agree or disagree?
It's nice that they are trying to win now but I don't know that's the plan to take with how solid Detroit and Cleveland look. I don't see a quick fix that can overtake the both of them.
I like a team that is willing to go for it now and then, but I don`t think this was the time for the Sox to do it. They didn`t really have the team to start with to have a chance. Especially with what the Tigers have done.
Trading away Gonzalez and De Los Santos was idiotic but if Billy Beane wants them, that should raise their value up a ton because he has an awesome eye for talent.
I posted this in the other thread. I think the White Sox are going with an anti-moneyball rebuilding strategy. they are trading prospects that might be good or might bust for proven young players (more proven in Quentin's case). The key to this strategy is that they are spending money vs Beane which is cutting payroll. They are also a better team this year with 7 strong hitters in the lineup (if Swisher is in CF) but questionable pitching after Beuhrle, Vazquez and Danks. But next year potentially has several strong pitchers on the FA market. Again it only costs money.
I had been critical of the trade from the White Sox view and I still have no idea where they are going to get pitchers from, but is it possible that this is Chicago's version of rebuilding? I'm proposing that they might be doing the anti-moneyball rebuilding. They just aren't opposed to spending money while rebuilding. And they are a better team now while doing it. Anyways it's just a theory.
Prospects seem to be an overvalued commodity currently and they cashed them in for a proven very good young player.
Swisher for Gio, de los Santos and Sweeney - The prospects could be good or they could bust. It will take 2-3 years to know for sure. You know that Swisher is going to be a very good player for the Sox and he's only 26. He'll be around for years (thru 2012). They prefer to take the sure thing.
Other trades Chris Carter for Carlos Quentin - traded a hot prospect from low A for an unproven MLB player that had superior MiLB stats at higher levels, but struggled in his first mlb season. Quentin still has a better chance of being a good MLB player than Carter. He's young and will be around for awhile.
Orlando Cabrera for Jon Garland - Cabrera is likely a Type A FA and Garland is likely a Type B FA. If you're rebuilding 2 picks are better than 1. And the Sox got some cash out of the deal I think. Cabrera also helps the offense alot this year as an improvement over Uribe. And I'm a little confused who's going to pitch for the White Sox, but oh well.
kab21 wrote:I posted this in the other thread. I think the White Sox are going with an anti-moneyball rebuilding strategy. they are trading prospects that might be good or might bust for proven young players (more proven in Quentin's case). The key to this strategy is that they are spending money vs Beane which is cutting payroll. They are also a better team this year with 7 strong hitters in the lineup (if Swisher is in CF) but questionable pitching after Beuhrle, Vazquez and Danks. But next year potentially has several strong pitchers on the FA market. Again it only costs money.
I had been critical of the trade from the White Sox view and I still have no idea where they are going to get pitchers from, but is it possible that this is Chicago's version of rebuilding? I'm proposing that they might be doing the anti-moneyball rebuilding. They just aren't opposed to spending money while rebuilding. And they are a better team now while doing it. Anyways it's just a theory.
Prospects seem to be an overvalued commodity currently and they cashed them in for a proven very good young player.
Swisher for Gio, de los Santos and Sweeney - The prospects could be good or they could bust. It will take 2-3 years to know for sure. You know that Swisher is going to be a very good player for the Sox and he's only 26. He'll be around for years (thru 2012). They prefer to take the sure thing.
Other trades Chris Carter for Carlos Quentin - traded a hot prospect from low A for an unproven MLB player that had superior MiLB stats at higher levels, but struggled in his first mlb season. Quentin still has a better chance of being a good MLB player than Carter. He's young and will be around for awhile.
Orlando Cabrera for Jon Garland - Cabrera is likely a Type A FA and Garland is likely a Type B FA. If you're rebuilding 2 picks are better than 1. And the Sox got some cash out of the deal I think. Cabrera also helps the offense alot this year as an improvement over Uribe. And I'm a little confused who's going to pitch for the White Sox, but oh well.
Interesting post. And if they're are moving over-valued products for under-valued products, then that's really the theory behind moneyball in principle. However, as you stated money is the keep difference.
Grounded Polo wrote:I think that Danks falls under questionable and do any of Chicago's moves really make them a comparable team to Cleveland and Detroit?
Your missing the point.
How isn't acquiring Quentin and Swisher considered rebuilding while improving your current team? Both players are young and under team control for many years. And Swisher is very good right now. Gio, de los Santos, Sweeney (almost a throw-in IMO) and Carter are very unproven prospects that could be good or could bust.
It's the anti-moneyball rebuilding model taking advantage of the prospect hype. And just a theory of mine, not saying it's the correct way to go.
sublime8414 wrote:Interesting post. And if they're are moving over-valued products for under-valued products, then that's really the theory behind moneyball in principle. However, as you stated money is the keep difference.
It's not so much that they are overvalued, it's that they are from a sure thing that Swisher is.
It makes sense from Oakland's standpoint considering their financial constraints and it makes sense from Chicago's considering their financial freedom. At first I was very against the trade from Chicago's standpoint, but that comes from years of thinking under the MN (and OAK) philosophies.
I don't see why Chicago can't make the playoffs. Detroit still is a team where most of their lineup could be out for the season by mid April. Cleveland didn't do anything this offseason and are riding on a lot of pitchers to stay on par with career years. Chicago can contend. A major market team like the White Sox has no business conceding the division before the season even starts.
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by 05worldserieschamps » Fri Jan 04, 2008 1:17 pm 
