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Re: Mark Prior

Postby StlSluggers » Wed Dec 19, 2007 5:07 pm

TheA'sFatLeadoffMan wrote:http://www.chrisoleary.com/projects/Baseball/Pitching/RethinkingPitching/Essays/MarkPriorPitchingMechanics.html

Prior's mechanics critiqued by Chris O'Leary.

I retract my retraction about my comments about the Cards and Prior. B-)
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Re: Mark Prior

Postby jfg » Wed Dec 19, 2007 5:10 pm

Snakes Gould wrote:2-5 million dollars? why not guarentee him 12-15 mill a season if he can pitch 200 ip with an era under 4.00? im pretty sure it would be AWESOME value. why not give him a 3 yr contract, 3 mil base salary and upwards up 10 mil in bonuses for whenever he gets over 200 ip? seems to make sense to me, but im obviously missing something if no one is doing it. X-I


Why would Prior agree to any incentive based contract if a team is going to give him millions to perform an audition for a year? All he has to do is stay healthy and put up decent numbers and he's guaranteed a ridiculous contract. It would be stupid for Prior to take any contract that is based on incentives.
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Re: Mark Prior

Postby RyanK » Wed Dec 19, 2007 5:18 pm

Yoda wrote:
TheA'sFatLeadoffMan wrote:http://www.chrisoleary.com/projects/Baseball/Pitching/RethinkingPitching/Essays/MarkPriorPitchingMechanics.html

Prior's mechanics critiqued by Chris O'Leary.


Interesting... I saw this one from HTH:
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This guy is saying that he altered his mechanics over the years and that he should be pitching more like he did prior to 04. In any case, Prior's current mechanics seems to be an issue. To me, he always looked so smooth and effortless up there that it seemed like mechanics wouldn't be the cause of the problem.

What I do think is a huge contributing factor is his sharp increase in workload:
00-129
01-138
02-167.2
03-211.1 (plus playoffs)

He was injured in 04 on that collusion with Marcus Giles and never fully recovered to his previous form (interestingly enough, neither did Giles). I do hope that he recovers well enough to be relevant again as he is one of my all time favorite pitchers.


the HBT article is pretty good.. i noticed it looked like prior has too much of a "stand up" delivery, keeping his back pretty much straight (effecting control), but then short arming his throw like an infielder, while also bringing his arm motion on a lower/rounder plane. It looks kinda like he is doing more of a circle motion than pitching motion because he is trying to catch his lower body with his upper body. You can also see on the right clip that he is trying to catch up to his body by kinda "turning" his shoulder to throw the ball.

I think he can figure it out, basically he has to get his timing back and start following through with a lean, but the uprightness/lack of lean can also be to his body not being fully in sync and his trying to catch up to it...
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Re: Mark Prior

Postby Snakes Gould » Wed Dec 19, 2007 5:21 pm

jfg wrote:
Snakes Gould wrote:2-5 million dollars? why not guarentee him 12-15 mill a season if he can pitch 200 ip with an era under 4.00? im pretty sure it would be AWESOME value. why not give him a 3 yr contract, 3 mil base salary and upwards up 10 mil in bonuses for whenever he gets over 200 ip? seems to make sense to me, but im obviously missing something if no one is doing it. X-I


Why would Prior agree to any incentive based contract if a team is going to give him millions to perform an audition for a year? All he has to do is stay healthy and put up decent numbers and he's guaranteed a ridiculous contract. It would be stupid for Prior to take any contract that is based on incentives.


what can he make on a standard contract? i was under the impression that most teams werent willing to pay him all that much.
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Re: Mark Prior

Postby Yoda » Wed Dec 19, 2007 5:29 pm

StlSluggers wrote:
TheA'sFatLeadoffMan wrote:http://www.chrisoleary.com/projects/Baseball/Pitching/RethinkingPitching/Essays/MarkPriorPitchingMechanics.html

Prior's mechanics critiqued by Chris O'Leary.

I retract my retraction about my comments about the Cards and Prior. B-)


I retract my acceptance of your retraction about your comments regarding the Cards and Prior.
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Re: Mark Prior

Postby cordscords » Wed Dec 19, 2007 5:38 pm

Props to whoever posted the 2 links. Very good stuff.
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Re: Mark Prior

Postby jfg » Wed Dec 19, 2007 5:46 pm

Snakes Gould wrote:what can he make on a standard contract? i was under the impression that most teams werent willing to pay him all that much.


But I think they'd give him a one year deal for over 5 million dollars. Right? Maybe I'm wrong on that, but that's what I was getting from all this. Of course Prior is going to do that and try to prove that he can stay healthy because a huge incentive based contract will always be there in 2009 unless he's absolutely terrible this year in which case he probably wouldn't make the IP limit anyway. But, if he can stay healthy and put up Prior numbers there's no reason he can't bring in Zito money. I think that's what he's positioning for.
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Re: Mark Prior

Postby Lofunzo » Wed Dec 19, 2007 7:23 pm

TheA'sFatLeadoffMan wrote:http://www.chrisoleary.com/projects/Baseball/Pitching/RethinkingPitching/Essays/MarkPriorPitchingMechanics.html

Prior's mechanics critiqued by Chris O'Leary.


I have always been of the belief that looking pretty doesn't always mean perfect mechanics. I guess that he just looked pretty.
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Re: Mark Prior

Postby Cornbread Maxwell » Thu Dec 20, 2007 2:34 am

I dont have much to add to this discussion about his mechanics or signability issues, but I did want to say how sad I am that injuries have derailed the career of one of the best young pitchers I have ever watched. I really hope he returns to form, but I seriously doubt he ever will, and thats truly dissapointing for any fan of baseball. There are certain talents that come along once in a generation, and its frusterating thinking that we have missed out on watching a true prodigy because of fluke injuries.

I miss Mark Prior. :,-(
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Re: Mark Prior

Postby kellythemick » Fri Dec 21, 2007 4:00 pm

Just an interesting note on the subject:
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