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Re: *2000 World Champs: NYY* and the fate of the sport.

Postby acsguitar » Mon Dec 17, 2007 12:09 pm

gws226 wrote:
thedude wrote:
thedude wrote:I would bet everything i own that every world series champion since the early 1990s (and many from the 1980s) had juicers on them.


BTW this is going to get ugly.



The yankees only have more guys named because radomski was from NY.


You do realize that radomski was a Mets trainer??


Yea and its impossible to travel within NYC

Btw Mets were embarrased get over it
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Re: *2000 World Champs: NYY* and the fate of the sport.

Postby KCollins1304 » Mon Dec 17, 2007 12:26 pm

1. Clemens - was using since 98
2. Pettite - not till 2002
3. David Justice - after 2000 WS
4. Jose Canseco - bench player that was using
5. Chuck Knoublach - used in 2001
6. Denny Neagle - started in 2000
7. Mike Stanton - used in 2003
8. Jason Grimsley - can't find exact time he started, but I'll assume he was

Clemens threw 8 shutout innings, Neagle gave up 2 runs in 4.2 innings, Grimsley didn't even pitch, and Caseco was 0-1 in his 1 ab.

Neagle wasn't even very good when he pitched, so your whole argument hinges on Clemens. It's pretty obvious that you didn't put any thought into this other than looking for a reason to discredit the Yankees using the Mitchell Report.
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Re: *2000 World Champs: NYY* and the fate of the sport.

Postby HOOTIE » Tue Dec 18, 2007 1:57 am

The bad thing about all the steroid talk, is how people want to discount Bonds records and stats. Yet the ultimate goal, and the most important thing is rings, not stats or records. But those that discount Bonds, don't imply the same standard to tainted team rings.
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Re: *2000 World Champs: NYY* and the fate of the sport.

Postby HOOTIE » Tue Dec 18, 2007 2:02 am

SignGuy wrote:Im a die hard mets fan but i still have aproblem with this. The guys who matter like Jeter, Bernie, O'neil, Mariano, Brossious, Posada, Tino and others werent on the report.


That matter? When you win a ring, all 25 matter.
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Re: *2000 World Champs: NYY* and the fate of the sport.

Postby BritSox » Tue Dec 18, 2007 8:16 am

gws226 wrote:I think its hard to put Astericks on records, and championships but based purely on the mitchell report, I'd have to say if there ever was a case to put an asterick on a record/event... My vote would go to the 2000 Yankees World title.

There were 8 players on the roster that are directly mentioned in the Mitchell report.
1. Clemens
2. Pettite
3. David Justice
4. Jose Canseco
5. Chuck Knoublach
6. Denny Neagle
7. Mike Stanton
8. Jason Grimsley

For the sake of history, the players in the report contributed....
3 Wins: Game 1,2,5
28.1 Innings, 7R, 5ER

Game 1: Difference Maker: Knoblauch scores tying run in bottom of the ninth
Game 2: Difference Maker: David Justice scores on Jeter single in 5th (mets go on to score 5 in bottom of the ninth, but come up one run short) lose 6-5
Game 4: Difference Maker: With 2 on and 1 out in the 8th, Stanton comes on and strikes out both Trammel and Harris to end the threat.

General contributions:

Game 1: NYY 4 NYM 3
Justice: 1/4 2RBI
Knoblouch: 1/4 1RBI

Petitte: 6.2 Innings: 3 Runs
Staton: 1W, 1 inning 0 runs

Game 2: NYY 6 NYM 5
Clemens: 1 Win, 8innings, 0 runs, 9K

Game 3 NYM 4, NYY 2

Game 4 NYY 3, NYM 2
Neagle: 4.2 Innings, 2ER
With 2 on, and 1 Out Stanton comes on and strikes out the side

Game 5- NYY 4 NYM 2
Petitte 7IP 2R 0ER
Stanton: Win 1IP


'89 A's. Canseco and McGwire, and Heaven knows who else. Please don't try to score petty partisan points off this one.
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Re: *2000 World Champs: NYY* and the fate of the sport.

Postby Minor League Skilz » Tue Dec 18, 2007 8:27 am

The day of the Mitchel Report Steve Phillips, the GM of the Mets at the time, said he would be incredibly naive to think that his players were not doing the exact same thing at that time.

The * has no place in the record books. Every record MUST be judged based on the ERA.
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Re: *2000 World Champs: NYY* and the fate of the sport.

Postby bigh0rt » Tue Dec 18, 2007 9:30 am

BronXBombers51 wrote:
gws226 wrote:How do you know Piazza wasn't on the juice?

You bite your tongue!

But seriously, this thread is silly.
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